Date: 2009-01-31 04:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brownkitty.livejournal.com
Has anyone notified the California Bar Association about this? I think this is the sort of misconduct that can get his license removed.

Date: 2009-01-31 04:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] heron61.livejournal.com
No kidding, there are ethics rules for lawyers and this nut has got to be way outside of these rules.

Date: 2009-01-31 05:08 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rosefox
Unfortunately, the state bar ethics rules don't include "don't be a troll", but anyone wishing to make a complaint may do so by calling 1 800 843 9053 inside California or 213 765 1200 outside of California, or filling out this form.
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Date: 2009-01-31 06:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joenotcharles.livejournal.com
The actual state bar rules are here, and scanning the headings I don't see anything on relations with the general public, only with clients, except for 1-400: Advertising and Solicitation. I thought maybe his cash-for-sex ad might fall foul of that, but it seems to deal specifically with solicitation of services as a lawyer.

Which is as it should be, I guess.

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Date: 2009-01-31 04:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] poeticalpanther.livejournal.com
I've long since decided that my policy on trolls is simple, and as most good advice, can be given as a rhyming couplet:

Again I say you: do not feed the troll
Tis rather better just to use the scroll


Even a bodged-up iambic pentameter. Don't say I never get you anything.

Date: 2009-01-31 05:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfs.livejournal.com
While Mr. Jackson certainly does seem to be an asshole from all the evidence presented, being a writers of disturbing sexual imagery and fatherhood are not entirely incompatible. I'm not the only writer who's familiar with this dichotomy, either.

Date: 2009-01-31 10:37 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] liviapenn.livejournal.com

being a writers of disturbing sexual imagery and fatherhood are not entirely incompatible.

Who said it was "entirely incompatible?" The only reference to his fatherhood on Kynn's post is this: "it's understandable that as a happily married man and father ..... Luke Jackson might want to dissociate his violent porn fiction from his public persona[.]"

This is true. I mean, I write violent porn fiction on occasion, and if I had kids or were a teacher or something, I'd *definitely* want to disassociate it from my public and/or professional persona. You just can't be too careful with that sort of thing. It doesn't say anything about my character or my fitness to raise children. It's just common sense; as Kynn says, it's understandable.

However...

"A writer of disturbing sexual imagery" is not exactly how I would describe someone who posts a rape fantasy on the Internet, then emails a woman (even creepier in the context of this discussion, a woman of color) and tells her directly, 'this was inspired by you.'

We're not talking about Clive Barker or Poppy Z. Brite here. We're talking about a guy who habitually spams the Internet with innocuous-looking links, in order to surprise people with the content of his blog; he's not a writer, he's the Internet equivalent of a flasher, or the kind of guy who makes heavy-breathing phone calls.

Date: 2009-01-31 03:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kynn.livejournal.com
This. Both points.

(Also creepy: The woman of color lives in the same city as Mr. Jackson.)

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Date: 2009-02-01 03:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mjlayman.livejournal.com
Plus, his lawyer gig is with people who have been sexually- or racially-discriminated against. It's hard to think he actually does a good job when you consider what he writes in his Igor persona.

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Date: 2009-01-31 06:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com
ZOMG! I thought [livejournal.com profile] darkerblogistan and [livejournal.com profile] igorsanchez were two different racist, misogynist trolls!

Oh well, I'd already pre-emptively banned them both.

Date: 2009-01-31 11:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] supergee.livejournal.com
There is a slight bit of pleasure in knowing that there aren't quite as many of them as we had thought.

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Date: 2009-01-31 05:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beth-bernobich.livejournal.com
I'd banned them both, too.

And I'd heard a rumor they were the same, but it wasn't until someone posted anonymous trash on my LJ (done in igor's style) that I knew for certain they were the same. Timing can be so telling.

Date: 2009-01-31 08:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] avram
I've been wondering if maybe the lawyer biz isn't going to well for him, and he's been trying to provoke someone into slugging him so he can sue. (How the slugging would work over the Internet, I dunno.)

Date: 2009-01-31 02:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] khavrinen.livejournal.com
(How the slugging would work over the Internet, I dunno.)

Although there are certainly residents who sometimes make one wish to try, however much more appropriate lovecraftienne's couplet advice usually is.

Date: 2009-01-31 05:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carloshasanax.livejournal.com
Steve St!rling once did the same to me, right down to getting the address and phone number wrong.

I've seen some dysfunctional subcultures in my time, but SF really does try harder. Has anyone contacted Gawker or MediaBistro yet about TNH's attempt to blacklist writers? (Apparently taken back in an "Fuck you I was only joking aren't you a sanctimonious prig I will delete the evidence now so it never happened" mature and classy sort of way.)

Date: 2009-01-31 06:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rachelmanija.livejournal.com
Steve Stirling once made a sort of half-assed death threat to me on usenet. IIRC, "People like you ought to be shot, and if I didn't live in Canada, I'd do it myself.

I threatened to report him to the FBI for making death threats across national borders, and he shut up.

TNH: I have no idea and have only the vaguest idea of what those are. But you could! There are screencaps.

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Date: 2009-02-01 03:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mjlayman.livejournal.com
Actually, I saw Teresa's posts and she meant it when she said the posters were bad people but the NHs wouldn't go against them professionally. She didn't delete the evidence, she friends-locked the post. She was angry because they were saying bad things that weren't true about her husband. She reacted as a wife, not an editor.

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Date: 2009-02-01 08:20 pm (UTC)
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Carlos Yu: There is no blacklist in publishing. Look foolish if you want.

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Date: 2009-01-31 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dd-b.livejournal.com
It's amusing how some people think posting your address is a horrible thing to do to you. I suspect it's projection; he knows it'd be bad for him if people knew where he lived, and figures that's true for everybody. I've been in newsgroups where that was done, and one response that was amusing is a lot of other people started posting their own contact info. Since mine is publicly available from my various DNS registrars, and from archived copies of the Einblatt!, and from the freaking telephone directory, and perhaps from things I'm not remembering right now, it's not a very useful way for somebody to threaten me.

Date: 2009-01-31 07:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kynn.livejournal.com
Yeah, it's kind of like how he thought he was insulting me by saying "ZOMG KYNN LOOKS LIKE A BOY AND A GIRL AT THE SAME TIME."

My real address probably isn't that hard to find, but he got the wrong one, of course.

Date: 2009-01-31 07:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kuangning
Well, actually. A search for his full name brings up his address, or at least a record of an address being bought by him and his wife in the town where he says he lives.

Date: 2009-01-31 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zibblsnrt.livejournal.com
Enough people these days - probably not in these circles, though - buy into enough of the FUD about the net that they probably do believe that merely posting one's real initials online guarantees that the evil terrorist 4chan pedophile hacker ninja zombie robots will come crashing in through their windows to kill them not once but twice in their sleep.

I think it's silly at best, myself, though I've also had a friend subjected to such a prolonged campaign of harassment by these types of characters that she had to move a few times.

Date: 2009-02-01 03:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mjlayman.livejournal.com
My name, address, and phone number are all over the web, although the easiest to get at once is via my DNS registry. I've been doing this for the 17 years I've lived here and never had any trouble. Then again, I'm kind of a boring person.

Date: 2009-02-01 04:02 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] agent-mimi.livejournal.com
Yet there are a lot of examples of people being stalked by creeps who found their info online. It sounds like exaggeration, but I have had several people threaten to harm and/or kill me, and I'm not even a particularly notable person. Back when I participated in alt.religion.kibology, I would mail things to people and give out my name and phone number, thinking these were trusted 'net-friends. One of these trusted people ended up being mentally off-kilter. I never knew what set him off, but he deliberately gave my info to two people on Usenet who, at two separate times, had indicated they hated me. One guy threatened to beat me up but may have been just trying to be a jerk. The other guy has a history of threatening to rape and kill people, and at least once took his stalking offline and ended up on a poor victim's front porch.

Nowadays I keep my phone numbers unlisted and my personal information off Zabasearch and the like, at least as much as possible, and no one gets my personal information anymore.

To me, a threat of getting my personal info is pretty useful. That's why I'm not convinced it's always projection.

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Date: 2009-02-01 09:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roseembolism.livejournal.com
I think the classic in this was in a Usenet group where some guy who claimed to be a Special Forces guy threatened a poster who was calling him on his shit; in response the poster posted his address and invited him to come over. Though the thread continued for a hundred or so posts, Mr. "Special Forces" never replied.

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