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Theo "Vox Day" Beale, having previously asserted such interesting things as

Catherine Asaro’s The Quantum Rose, which won the Best Novel award in 2002, is perhaps the most egregious example; Asaro was the SFWA President at the time,


when according to wikipedia she did not become President until 2003, shifts his cloud-shouting over to his Vox Day blog, which btw is going to make keeping a chinese wall between his Vox Day persona and secret identity as Theodore Beale pretty hard, reveals that he has not in fact read at least one of the books whose victory he denounces and then gets to what I assume was the whole point of the affair, launching his pre-doomed campaign to run for SFWA President.

Linking is not advocacy.

My gut feeling here is that once he loses, the next logical move is to set up an ideologically untainted rival to SFWA, perhaps one untainted by the oh so many groups of whom he disapproves.

Date: 2012-12-30 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant.livejournal.com
Obviously, she used her power as President to commandeer the SFWA's time machine (sent back to her by the feminist-dominated future), to go back in time and release an excellent work that she would never have been able to do on her own.

Sort of like "Guns of the South", but with word processors rather than AK47s.

Date: 2012-12-30 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com
And the time machine was invented by men but used by women.

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Date: 2013-01-01 06:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scott-sanford.livejournal.com
Are they still using that old thing? I thought it had broken down for good at the 2033 WorldCon.

Date: 2012-12-30 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimrunner.livejournal.com
"NebulaGate".

...

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Date: 2012-12-30 08:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] al-zorra.livejournal.com
Woo. Just. Wooooo.

The man revealed himself as an idiot in his first posts on Black Gate. But now we see him revealed as a fool as well. And not, let me haste to clarify as either a holy one or a court jester sort.

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Date: 2012-12-31 01:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] papersky.livejournal.com
I find "gate" a charmingly old fashioned usage.

Date: 2012-12-30 06:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] despotliz.livejournal.com
I think your SFWA President link should be to this.

Date: 2012-12-30 06:04 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-12-30 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com
I know I shouldn't read it, but I appreciate that you will no doubt be linking to Beale's review of Among Others.

Date: 2012-12-30 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sinboy.livejournal.com
Oooh. Now that sounds interesting.

Date: 2012-12-30 06:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sinboy.livejournal.com
So, let's see if I have this right. Black Gate claims to have been unaware of Beale's right wing misogynistic, anti-gay, anti-liberal viciousness, but when mentioned, Beale promised to keep it separate.

He then violates that with a factually inaccurate rant about how the majority of SFWA is dominated by vaginas, and conspiring against his beloved penises. And also Scalzi was mean to him.

I look forward to Black Gate's response. Someone ought to ask them about it.

Date: 2012-12-30 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com
I have to admit BG isn't really on my radar. Is this really the first essay in which Theo let his inner Vox Day out?

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Date: 2012-12-30 06:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] fridgepunk.livejournal.com
"speaking as the first nationally syndicated game review columnist"

What in the cor blimey huh eh?

Date: 2012-12-30 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icecreamempress.livejournal.com
I want Asaro to lend me her time machine so I can see the magnificent alternative to SFWA that Mr. Beale creates. I'm imagining it will be just as splendid as Conservapedia.

Date: 2012-12-30 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com
Speaking of which, I cannot help but notice my entry over there has had a lot fewer tweaks than the one on Wikipedia....

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Date: 2012-12-30 08:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] al-zorra.livejournal.com
This is hysterical. I for one, who seldom but does occasionally comment on Scalzi's blog, which is a particularly useful one for learning about the pluses and minuses of the ever-widening circles of new digital tech passing as work tools, just as is Stross's online commentary in these matters -- well, I didn't even know Scalzi was prez of SFWA.

Perhaps more to the point that's how little relevance SFWA has these day to matters tht matter, and why I quit the org -- what? 12 years ago? something like that, already. Sometime after 9/11, when what really matters got very very very, and even more so that that, clear.

However, the sorts of attitudes this clown propagates about women and all kinds of other people, and his utter lack of critical acumen and tools for judging what is and what is not good writing -- that he's an architect of bigotry, sexism and all sorts of other anti-civilization objectives -- that does matter. More and more people around the world think like that. And act on that thinking, making it a more dangerous place for women, children, animals and other growing things every day.

Love, C.

Date: 2012-12-30 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icecreamempress.livejournal.com
Since the publisher and the website editor have both shown up in the comments, maybe someone with an account over there might want to encourage them to put an editorial correction of Beale's pretty outrageous misstatement that Asaro was SFWA Pres at the time she won her award?

Because I imagine Asaro is less cantankerous than I, because who isn't, but if that were me Black Gate would be getting a nastygram from my lawyer. Accusations of professional double-dealing are srs bsns.

Date: 2012-12-30 08:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icecreamempress.livejournal.com
Also, the person who said that male engineer types were the "white hot core" of SFF was right about the first bit, at least, for a batting average of .333.

Date: 2012-12-31 12:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nathan helfinstine (from livejournal.com)
And a career average of .333 is good enough for 23rd place in MLB history!

Date: 2012-12-31 04:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dbdatvic.livejournal.com
Per-haps by "hot" he meant "sweaty"?

--Dave, who has been reading Homestuck and now has one of the trolls irresistably pushing himself forward as a poster boy for this in his head

Date: 2012-12-30 08:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant.livejournal.com
If you start to google "theodore beale", it autocompletes as "theodore beale vox day", which means his secret identity is about as effective as that of Clarke Kent.

Date: 2012-12-30 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bedii.livejournal.com
Hey! D.C. did an explanation years ago as to why the Clark Kent disguise works that was at LEAST as solid as the explanation as to how Batman beat The Hulk twice.

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Date: 2012-12-30 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] movingfinger.livejournal.com
I'm wondering whether you might not find an all-purpose "everything is worth with" tag more useful, because the function is independent of the argument.

Date: 2012-12-30 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] burger-eater.livejournal.com
This isn't the first time he's promised to run for SFWA president. In the same thread, he mentions Asaro's Nebula win.

(I stumbled over that when I went looking for this: I've never had any problem smacking around women, I'm all about equality.

I'm sure his candidacy will be met with the respect it deserves.

As for Black Gate, they published my first short story. I'm sorry to see them hosting this dude's sick bullshit.

Date: 2012-12-30 10:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chris-gerrib.livejournal.com
Ah, two questions. One, is he even a member of SFWA? Is he even eligible to be a member?

Date: 2012-12-30 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bedii.livejournal.com
Google is your friend. http://www.sfwa.org/member-links/member-list/ and look in the B's. SFWA says "Three Paid Sales of prose fiction (such as short stories) to Qualifying Professional Markets, with each paid at the rate of 5¢/word or higher (3¢/word before 1/1/2004), for a cumulative total of $250, minimum $50 apiece; or One Paid Sale of a prose fiction book to a Qualifying Professional Market, for which the author has been paid $2000 or more" so I assume either his fantasy novels or short stories got him in: Wikipedia lists them so you can do any investigation as to their fitting the definition of "Qualifying Professional Market" as necessary.

I haven't read his fantasy: if there was something there that was extra-special nifty I assume that I'd have been told about it by now.
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Date: 2012-12-31 12:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harvey-rrit.livejournal.com
For my part, I note that SFWA has changed its character since they started letting the ballots be counted by the League of Women Voters. It does kinda explain why LeGuin (!) would get named Grandmaster but Pournelle would not.

I left because Scalzi issued an edict declaring that nobody could get a lifetime membership without an invitation-- i.e., the approval of John Scalzi-- and that the cost was raised to more than sixty years' dues.

This was shortly after he and other officers had enjoyed vacations paid for out of members' dues.

I know nothing about Beale, but if he can create an outfit worse than what Scalzi has turned SFWA into, he possesses supernatural abilities.

Date: 2012-12-31 01:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zedmeister.livejournal.com
It does kinda explain why LeGuin (!) would get named Grandmaster but Pournelle would not.

I can't tell if you're kidding or not, but for the sake of my faith in humanity I'm going to assume you're just trolling.

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