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james_davis_nicollBet it doesn't fly, though.
Prediction: fbzrbar vf tbvat gb cbc va naq pynvz pnanqn be bagnevb hfrf funevnu ynj onfrq ba n pbzcyrgr zvfhaqrefgnaqvat bs guvf rirag.
"All of those conclusions was taken out based on Criminal Code and all of us we know that this Criminal Code is not a holy book," Esseghaier said. "It's just written by a set of creations and the creations they're not perfect because only the Creator is perfect.
"We cannot rely on the conclusions taken out from these judgments."
Prediction: fbzrbar vf tbvat gb cbc va naq pynvz pnanqn be bagnevb hfrf funevnu ynj onfrq ba n pbzcyrgr zvfhaqrefgnaqvat bs guvf rirag.
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Date: 2013-04-25 04:27 am (UTC)Thereby claiming to speak for God, which is indisputably taking God's name in vain.
You can't spell "Funny Mental X-stains" without "fun".
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Date: 2013-04-25 04:35 am (UTC)Theodore A. Kaldis
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Date: 2013-04-25 03:01 pm (UTC)Just so you know.
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Date: 2013-04-25 05:47 pm (UTC)William Hyde
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Date: 2013-04-26 08:48 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-25 09:08 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-25 01:49 pm (UTC)By the bye, "fundamentalist Moslem" is a tautology. Any other kind is under sentence of death, per the Koran.
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Date: 2013-04-25 02:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-25 02:58 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-25 05:12 pm (UTC)Capital punishment for apostasy has always been a controversial topic, with the Qu'ran not expressing a straight opinion one way or the other and has been the subject of a great deal of debate and interpretation by Islamic scholars for centuries. Even the one verse which seems explicit about it, 4:89 "But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them", which is the one some groups use to justify killing apostates, it's immediately followed by 4:90 which states that killing them is forbidden if they do not additionally fight against Muslims. As far back as the 8th century there were arguments that killing someone wasn't what was intended, that their punishment would be in the afterlife.
And there's always the argument over what's considered apostasy anyway with a lot of lively debate about the issue.
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Date: 2013-04-25 08:38 pm (UTC)Or maybe what he took to be Amundsen's ghost appeared to him and discussed both topics. That would explain a lot, actually.
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Date: 2013-04-25 08:44 pm (UTC)Especially under oath.
Consequently there are all these assurances about how Arabic cannot be perfectly translated, anyone attempting to convert is not automatically executed, women are not property, and there is some point in making treaties.
Telling the truth about Islam is an attack under sharia law, by the bye.
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Date: 2013-04-26 04:03 am (UTC)And your point? The Bible is full of verses that talk about how lying is sinful, Revelations 21:8 for instance ("But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone."). Oddly enough, this doesn't mean that a Christian can be assumed to be truthful, even though their holy book requires them to be.
(Pimps, oddly enough, have never been in short supply amongst Christians either. Or murderers.)
So why, other than bigotry, should one assume the opposite for a Muslim? Oh, that's right, because they're just a Faceless Brown Horde, aren't they? They're not real people with real human virtues and vices, just like anyone else.
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Date: 2013-04-26 05:24 am (UTC)They have nothing to do with what I think, naturally.
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Date: 2013-04-26 12:17 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-26 05:41 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-26 07:06 pm (UTC)So. Try again, asswipe.
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Date: 2013-04-26 09:28 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-26 10:19 pm (UTC)As for your bigotry, dude. You're deeply proud of collaborating with a man who wants to scare Mexicans away from emergency rooms. Frankly, I'm surprised you haven't promoted sex with five-year-old girls or denied the Holocaust yet.
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Date: 2013-04-26 10:52 pm (UTC)(IOW: If you really need to use it, you can.)
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Date: 2013-04-25 06:14 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-25 02:50 pm (UTC)Fiqh is the actual bod-ies/y of law itself that are used in shariah courts, which is felt to be derived by fallible humans and thus not divine in itself, but because it is arrived at by consensus among various imams and schools of fiqh it is still set, legally speaking, somewhat above Urf, knowledged derived through pure reason and observations sans quranic reference
What THIS idiot is appealing to is "sharia law" as imagined by Qutub, the Taliban and daily mail readers; Really a rather blashemous form of received interpretation of the quran, taught to him in one of the weird mystery cults that teach this crap, where homegrown jurisprudence by self-appointed imams justified with... what's the christian term? "pound verses"? quran and sunnah quotes sans context and twisted to justify whatever opinion the imam has, are presented as divine and absolute, like they're the UK libel courts or something.
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Date: 2013-04-25 02:53 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-25 04:24 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-25 09:56 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-26 02:05 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-25 01:46 pm (UTC)Well, as we were reminded yesterday, any Heinlein protagonist with a Moon rocket has a strangely similar attitude.
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Date: 2013-04-25 01:58 pm (UTC)I'm pretty sure arresting someone on suspicion of trying to blow up a passenger train isn't a matter of some ambitious lawyer throwing his weight around, which every example given in Heinlein's work ultimately is.
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Date: 2013-04-25 05:54 pm (UTC)(watching the nuclear thermal guys and Orion guys crank at each other in, um, Project Orion was amusing)
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Date: 2013-04-26 03:01 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-25 02:23 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-25 02:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-25 03:10 pm (UTC)And they often have elaborate formal rules of conduct, so the degree of their manners is not at issue.
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Date: 2013-04-25 06:58 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-25 08:50 pm (UTC)Some ignoramuses did not get that way accidentally; it took a lifetime of hard work, treating every effort at teaching them, however whimsical, as arrogance.
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Date: 2013-04-26 01:34 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-26 05:43 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-26 10:59 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-04-25 09:37 pm (UTC)– preamble to the canadian charter of human rights and freedoms.
Now that you bring up the non-secular roots and crennelations that the shared english common law system has, the possibility of someone playing the supremacy of God vs. the rule of law in the charter to pull off the ultimate wookie defence would be kinda amusing to watch fail, but the defendant probably isn't being that clever.
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Date: 2013-04-25 09:55 pm (UTC)My view of any difference that may arise between religious belief and human law is that any interested deity cannot be prevented from smiting anyone in the courtroom-- and that no human agent is required for this if it's genuine.
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Date: 2013-04-25 03:52 pm (UTC)