Date: 2017-08-09 02:58 pm (UTC)
mme_hardy: White rose (Default)
From: [personal profile] mme_hardy
Note DragonCon's statement says that "justice warriors" are also trying to rig the ballot. Your bias is showing there.

"We are aware of the rabid puppies and justice warriors[sic] efforts to effect[sic] the voting "
Edited (sic sic sic) Date: 2017-08-09 02:59 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-08-09 04:23 pm (UTC)
kraig: Salty+Zack (Default)
From: [personal profile] kraig
Good, it wasn't just me who noticed the same thing and thought along the same lines.

Date: 2017-08-09 04:23 pm (UTC)
kraig: Salty+Zack (Default)
From: [personal profile] kraig
er, by which I mean "good, I'm not the only person to have thought of it that way -> maybe I'm not crazy."

Date: 2017-08-09 10:56 pm (UTC)
dsrtao: dsr as a LEGO minifig (Default)
From: [personal profile] dsrtao
You might be crazy, but this isn't evidence for it.

Date: 2017-08-09 03:06 pm (UTC)
cyprinella: goat standing in front of a banner reading "DOOM" (goat doom)
From: [personal profile] cyprinella
Ew.

Date: 2017-08-09 03:07 pm (UTC)
redbird: closeup of me drinking tea (Default)
From: [personal profile] redbird
At least someone told her she was nominated; apparently that's more courtesy than they gave N. K. Jemisen.

Date: 2017-08-09 09:26 pm (UTC)
jamoche: Prisoner's pennyfarthing bicycle: I am NaN (Default)
From: [personal profile] jamoche
They didn't tell Antonelli either: from http://file770.com/?p=36807
Nominations for the Dragon closed July 24, and after a week had passed I assumed I had not made the grade. I was sure of it last Thursday night when I received an email that had a link to the final ballot.

I opened the ballot, to see who HAD made the grade, and was startled to see my name there. The Dragon award apparently is less bureaucratic than some others, I suppose, and they simply released the final ballot the way the nominations fell.

Date: 2017-08-09 10:04 pm (UTC)
redbird: closeup of me drinking tea (Default)
From: [personal profile] redbird
That does lead to the question, did they tell anyone, or just put the ballot on a website somewhere and expect the information to diffuse by Brownian motion?

Date: 2017-08-10 12:37 am (UTC)
brooksmoses: (Default)
From: [personal profile] brooksmoses
It is sounding like the answer is neither; it didn't occur to them that the information particularly needed to get to the authors at all.

Date: 2017-08-10 09:57 pm (UTC)
elf: Computer chip with location dot (You Are Here)
From: [personal profile] elf
There's some logic to that.

If a music festival had an award for "best song of the last year," they might not inform the bands until they had winners picked out. So in this case, they're treating authors like distant celebrities rather than part of the community that makes up the convention.

... I didn't say it was a good choice, just that I could follow the reasoning.

Date: 2017-08-09 10:32 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kithrup
I know Jemisen blocks over-aggressively on twitter, so it's possible that's how notification was issued. (That's only a suggestion; I think it at least equally as likely they were not organized enough to get notifications out via email, and that it's also possible they simply didn't even try.)

Date: 2017-08-10 04:18 pm (UTC)
ethelmay: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ethelmay
Dunno about over-aggressively; I can think of many reasons she might block aggressively.

Date: 2017-08-10 11:24 pm (UTC)
sethsellis: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sethsellis
I followed her a while ago and she blocked me quite quickly. I hope it was an impersonal worst-possible-scenario prophylactic block, so to speak, not anything in my posting history. As it was I didn't take it personally, I'm sure she gets a lot of crap in her mentions.

Date: 2017-08-11 01:51 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kithrup
That's what I meant by over-aggressively. She's got me blocked, she unblocked me when I pointed it out, and then did so again. She's using block lists from other people to do this.

Date: 2017-08-11 07:55 am (UTC)
sethsellis: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sethsellis
I just figure, at a certain point economies of scale kick in. Oh well.

Date: 2017-08-09 04:25 pm (UTC)
ffutures: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ffutures
I hope she has someone who is willing to go to the ceremony to decline the award for her if she wins.

Date: 2017-08-09 04:29 pm (UTC)
arkessian: (Default)
From: [personal profile] arkessian
Anyone know if Scalzi got the same response?

Date: 2017-08-09 07:35 pm (UTC)
glaurung_quena: (Default)
From: [personal profile] glaurung_quena
My bet would be that there's a double standard at work here. Scalzi is not little people, so he must be listened to even if they don't want to. Alyson Littlewood is not as well known or as male, so they can thumb their noses at her with impunity.

Alternative theory: they were OK with scalzi jumping ship when it was just scalzi, but now they fear a mass exodus of legitimate authors, leaving them with a nomination list of truly awful crap and nothing else. So they have changed tactics.

Date: 2017-08-09 09:29 pm (UTC)
jamoche: Prisoner's pennyfarthing bicycle: I am NaN (Default)
From: [personal profile] jamoche
I'd have to dig through file770, but I'm pretty sure she was the first: she tried to withdraw as soon as the ballots came out, while Scalzi was ignoring it until the puppies went nuts.

Date: 2017-08-10 03:34 pm (UTC)
arkessian: (Default)
From: [personal profile] arkessian
I was wondering about a double standard as well. Which, well... says it all. As if we didn't already know.

Date: 2017-08-09 11:59 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] mikeda
Not sure whether Scalzi was sent the same message but his book is apparently still on the ballot.

Date: 2017-08-09 06:16 pm (UTC)
dionysus1999: (Default)
From: [personal profile] dionysus1999
Social justice warriors don't stuff ballots, we hold our nose and vote for the person least likely to get us into yet another war against something that's nebulous and impossible to beat.

Date: 2017-08-09 07:24 pm (UTC)
jazzfish: Malcolm Tucker with a cell phone, in a HOPE-style poster, caption NO YOU F****** CAN'T (Malcolm says No You F'ing Can't)
From: [personal profile] jazzfish
Except when we decide to treat elections as expressions of our personal virtue, and refuse to vote because neither / no candidate is entirely acceptable. :(

Date: 2017-08-10 12:26 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The most important thing is to not be incrementally personally responsible for the outcome, right?

Date: 2017-08-10 02:44 am (UTC)
lydy: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lydy
It seems very likely to me that Dragoncon _can't_ withdraw nominations from consideration. What can be seen about the nominating and voting process suggest, strongly, that all of this is "automated." That is to say, they have some software that tallies nominations, and then votes. Everything about their organization of this award says that it is not well-organized, nor does it command a lot of resources, especially not in terms of volunteer hours. I think they thought that running a major award would be easy, that all you'd have to do was just set up the best software... Yeah, no.

This is a mess of their own making, born of not really thinking things through, and I have only limited sympathy for them. But I suspect that they genuinely have no ability to change course, that all of these problems are baked in.

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