Date: 2007-08-20 02:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] coffeeandink.livejournal.com
But that's not what he believes. He's stated several times that he believes racism and sexism are mere *forms* of classism, and that to focus on racism and sexism as forms of oppression is a pro-capitalist enterprise because it distracts people from the struggle against classism. And his attempts to disrupt discussions of racism and its effects seem quite deliberate in light of this. His latest round of White Liberal Bingo started when he objected to a post by [livejournal.com profile] vom_marlowe in which she clearly specified that class and race were *both* oppressions, but that they were not the same thing, and that racial oppression affects people across class lines. He has continued, most notably in his own LJ and in [livejournal.com profile] littlebutfierce, to ignore or misrepresent any evidence (anecdotal or scientific) to the effect that race *isn't* a subset of class. He has also fairly consistently defamed and misrepresented his debating opponents (my favorite one is the one where he decided we all were incapable of putting together a coherent argument because we got our ideas of class from TV. Will doesn't watch TV, except for Veronica Mars, which has something to say about class. He does not appear to have noticed it also has things to say about race and gender and they're not always the same things. Or maybe it's the one where he announced he'd learned that many "capitalist antiracists" want nothing more servants and leisure time.)
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Date: 2007-08-20 08:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] coffeeandink.livejournal.com
Why do you hate women and black people, Will? I can tell because all the examples of class privilege you bring up are female or black. You clearly don't care about the plight of anyone but the poor, and sexism, racism, homophobia, environmentalism, and the war in Iraq mean nothing to you.

Date: 2007-08-22 06:11 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] delux-vivens.livejournal.com
Seriously, hon, why bother?
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Date: 2007-08-20 09:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] coffeeandink.livejournal.com
And if you showed any signs of refraining from the same action you're apologizing for in the same comment as the apology, I might have even considered accepting it.

Do you actually doing anything for the class struggle besides attempting to disrupt discussions of race and racism online?

Date: 2007-08-20 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] t-guy.livejournal.com
He's stated several times... that to focus on racism and sexism as forms of oppression is a pro-capitalist enterprise because it distracts people from the struggle against classism.

Well, I've got to make him right on that one. Obviously, I also would have to agree with anyone who pointed out that to focus on classism as a form of oppression is a pro-racist enterprise because it distracts people from the struggle against racism.

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