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Who is the secret traitor? The former boy wonder, the wonder girl, the alien princess, the cyborg, the shape-shifter, the spooky witch, the speedster, or the geokinetic who frequently brags about being evil and betraying the team?

The Judas Contract by Marv Wolfman & George Pérez

Date: 2025-05-22 01:20 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kithrup

The show Young Justice seems to have had a variant on this plot, so perhaps that's where they took it from.

Date: 2025-05-22 03:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dewline
As this story arc was original published in the early 1980's, that was probably the inspiration for the Young Justice TV scriptwriters.

Date: 2025-05-22 03:25 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kithrup

Yes, that's what I meant. WHen I said "where they took it from," I was referring to the show's writers. I realize it's ambiguous.

Date: 2025-05-22 03:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] patrick_morris_miller

I don’t think it’s possible to buy it directly from DC.

I think DC prefers people rent their comics (via DC Universe Unlimited), much like cool kids today seem to think you're square, maaaaan if you actually buy your music, and double square if you buy it on physical media.

(I think I crashed the brain of some poor shopcritter at an Apple Store when I told them that not only did the iTunes Store not have all the music ever made by humanity, but there were alternate ways of getting music onto one's device. I hope they recovered and went on to go outside occasionally.)

Date: 2025-05-22 09:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] roseembolism
It's notable that Deathstroke the assassin with sizes of kills under his belt gets more respect, and later on gets something of a semi-redemption. No such treatment for the teenage girl.

I think that's one reason why Teen Titans animated took a more ambiguous and sympathetic treatment as a teen girl.

Date: 2025-05-23 01:22 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dragoness_e
I remember reading this as it came out. It was a real surprise that the teenage girl hero was a raving sociopath villain, because back then, comics Just Didn't Do That.

OTOH, Marv Wolfman is the guy who wrote most of "Tomb of Dracula", and made Dracula the evil, vindictive, abusive bastard he actually was in Stoker's book. (The "Dracula Daily" annual event has opened a lot of readers' eyes to just how romanticized Dracula has gotten in adaptations).
Edited Date: 2025-05-23 01:24 am (UTC)

Date: 2025-05-23 04:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] roseembolism
IIRC, wasn't it not so much misdirection as "Let's actually do something about the impending corruption of our teammate" (which incidentally isn't her fault)? Granted it's been decades.

I also remember in the scene where their looking at pictures of Raven, the latest ones made her look like she was in her 30s.
Edited Date: 2025-05-23 04:27 pm (UTC)

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