Who is

Oct. 18th, 2012 01:13 pm
james_davis_nicoll: (Default)
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The least Anglophone plausible candidate for the American Presidency? Accents don't count.

A potential POTUS who grew up speaking Spanish doesn't seem impossible. Or Cajun. And child-of-immigrants potentially offers any language on Earth as their milk-tongue.

Date: 2012-10-18 08:52 pm (UTC)
ironjeff: (Philosoraptor)
From: [personal profile] ironjeff
Well, the DNC did have speeches by Antonio Villaregosa and Julian Castro...

Date: 2012-10-18 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nelc.livejournal.com
Does a native Glaswegian count as Anglophone? Or are you applying that silly US citizenship clause?

Date: 2012-10-18 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
You'd have to be a citizen, but a Glaswegian born to American parents who was an American but was brought up speaking Scotsglish could work.

Date: 2012-10-18 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nelc.livejournal.com
I'm sure there must be someone who meets that description. If so, I nominate them!

Date: 2012-10-18 10:32 pm (UTC)
soon_lee: Image of yeast (Saccharomyces) cells (Default)
From: [personal profile] soon_lee
John Barrowman would almost (well, he wasn't born in the US) fit.

Date: 2012-10-18 05:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com
I mean someone who meets all the constitutional requirements.

Date: 2012-10-18 05:51 pm (UTC)
dsrtao: (glasseschange)
From: [personal profile] dsrtao
How plausible do you want besides meeting requirements?

For example, a 1st generation USAn with Brazilian parents who grew up in Framingham, MA would likely be bilingual, and might have an accent -- but probably not.

Oooh. OK, somebody with 2 USAn immigrant parents who go back to live in their original non-English speaking country right after the kid is born, retain citizenship and move back eighteen years later.

Date: 2012-10-18 05:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dcseain.livejournal.com
Department of State Certificate of Foreign Birth confers citizenship if registered at an embassy or consulate at time of birth to a citizen overseas.

Date: 2012-10-18 06:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/krin_o_o_/
A 'anchor baby'* born in LA to 'illegal immigrant'** parents who grew up speaking spanish natively, attended a English as a Second Language school in the greater LA basin, and graduated top of her class to attend Law School and graduted summa cum laude from Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México.

Prediction: Presidental Candidate in 2052 (plus or minus 8 years)

- krin

(*) - substitute with whatever term you wish for a child that is born inside a country by a parent who is not a citizen of that country, in an attempt by the parent to stay in the country.

(**) - substitute with whatever term you wish for an adult entering and staying in a country against the conventions and legal frameworks provide for being in that country, and doing so willfully and with afore knowledge.

edit: correcting date and terms a bit.
Edited Date: 2012-10-18 06:09 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-10-18 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com
So far, I am getting abstract descriptions but no names of living politicians....

Date: 2012-10-18 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elizaeffect.livejournal.com
I can only think that most of the candidates who meet your requirements are below the radar of the general population, the way Obama was until Suddenly Congressman.

Somebody like Marco Rubio (Cuban parents who weren't even naturalized citizens at the time of his birth) might marginally fit the bill; I'll bet he has an accent when he's speaking to overwhelmingly Hispanic audiences, the same way Obama develops one when speaking to overwhelmingly black audiences. (Or the way everyone seems to develop a drawl when speaking in the South?)

Date: 2012-10-18 06:23 pm (UTC)
ext_63737: Posing at Zeusaphone concert, 2008 (That's It boater)
From: [identity profile] beamjockey.livejournal.com
I take it plain old Spanish-speaking citizens would not be exotic enough to earn your "least Anglophone plausible" candidacy. There are lots of politicians of Mexican descent in the Southwest, and in big cities everywhere.

In Florida, we find Cuban-Americans. A guy from my high school graduating class became Mayor of Miami-Dade County. (Me, I may have been valedictorian, but I amounted to nothing.)

Date: 2012-10-18 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com
No, raised speaking Spanish would fit my criteria. Who could be the US analog to Wilfred Laurier (first Francophone PM of Canada)?

Date: 2012-10-18 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dcseain.livejournal.com
I grew up speaking English and Spanish, and have no foreign accent in either language, even if i do fall into my original Southern dialect now and again.

Date: 2012-10-20 05:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icecreamempress.livejournal.com
Martin van Buren, whose first language was Dutch.

Date: 2012-10-18 06:23 pm (UTC)
dsrtao: (glasseschange)
From: [personal profile] dsrtao
Oh, you wanted specifics.

Most plausible would be Marco Rubio, current US Senator from Florida. Fully bilingual, very conservative, up-and-comer in the Republicans.

Date: 2012-10-18 08:20 pm (UTC)
ext_63737: Posing at Zeusaphone concert, 2008 (Blinking12)
From: [identity profile] beamjockey.livejournal.com
I recall the Cuban community in South Florida as anti-Castro, anti-Communist, and pro-Nixon, so inclined to vote for Republicans.

I can foresee difficulty for Rubio or someone else of Hispanic ancestry winning votes nationwide from the voters of today's Republican party. Maybe if he came out strongly for a law making English the Official Language...

Date: 2012-10-18 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dcseain.livejournal.com
As a Republican and what with the state of the current party, he would never get my vote. i'm confident that many, many others feel the same way.

Date: 2012-10-18 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keithmm.livejournal.com
Problem is that Rubio is a very Conservative Republican. While many people would lump the anti-Castro Cuban population as generic "Latino", most Latinos would probably not be that generalist[1].

1. Such as the Puerto Ricans who constantly have to remind other Americans that they are indeed Americans already. Or the ones from countries where they don't get a free pass for getting a foot on American soil.

Date: 2012-10-18 06:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeffr23.livejournal.com
Jindal was the one who sprang to mind, but he could just as easily have been raised in a pure English-language setting as bilingually for all I know, and my Google-Fu has yielded no evidence of what languages he speaks whatsoever.

Date: 2012-10-18 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scifantasy.livejournal.com
Barely English, given that answer speech he gave after Obama's State of the Union.

Date: 2012-10-18 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com
Jindal was born in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, to Amar and Raj Jindal, who came to the United States as immigrants from Punjab, India, six months before he was born.


Huh.

Don't Republicans think life begins at conception? And Jindal was not conceived in the US, as far as I can tell.

Date: 2012-10-18 08:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dcseain.livejournal.com
What? You expect consistent, or logical, ethics from Republicans?

Date: 2012-10-18 08:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com
I am shocked that you suggest otherwise. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/obama-filmmaker-dsouza-resigns-from-ny-evangelical-college-over-relationship-with-woman/2012/10/18/bc3a2dee-194a-11e2-ad4a-e5a958b60a1e_story.html)

Date: 2012-10-18 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com
Ah, yes. Because racism is totally okay, but adultery is bad.

(Fred Clark had a related post about how racism is totally okay, but feminism is beyond the pale, today)

Date: 2012-10-19 06:48 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Yes but the Constitution is one of those old-fashioned, fuddy-duddy institutions that believes life begins at birth. Hence the requirement for a "native-born citizen" rather than a "native-conceived citizen".

There are other fuddy-duddy institutions like birthdays (rather than conception days) and being supposedly allowed to vote at "18 years of age" when you actually have to wait until you've been alive roughly 18 3/4 years.

Harumph!

Nich

Date: 2012-10-18 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
Barack Obama, only I don't know if he counts as plausible.

Date: 2012-10-18 10:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
...I mean, seriously, a guy who speaks Bahasa Indonesia?

Date: 2012-10-18 11:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant.livejournal.com
How about a First Nations politician, raised and educated on a reservation in his/her nation's language, who as a matter of principle only writes and speaks (for example) Navaho? In an age of xenophobia, you couldn't get any more pur-laine American than that.

Date: 2012-10-19 06:31 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Would complicate the debates a bit.

Bruce

Date: 2012-10-19 12:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant.livejournal.com
Oh yes - just like the debates in Canada, where there's argument over whether someone meant what he said idiomatically or literally, and where a politician's laughable attempts to comment in a different language can be interpreted in ways not intended.

Date: 2012-10-19 01:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bschilli.livejournal.com
Martin van Buren, eighth President, was a native Dutch speaker.

Date: 2012-10-19 01:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] michael a. davis (from livejournal.com)
Dang it, here I was going to be the one bringing the history!

Anyway, yas, our first (and last) President for whom English was a second language.

Date: 2012-10-21 05:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dbdatvic.livejournal.com
Our Emperor, peace of mind be upon him, grew up in South Africa, at a time when, I think, he'd've learnt Afrikaans?

--Dave, his words reverberate

Date: 2012-10-19 03:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maruad.livejournal.com
Does growing up speaking nonsense count?

Date: 2012-10-19 01:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant.livejournal.com
Or a modern Hellen Keller, but with physical disabilities that prevent the candidate from being able to write like her. Unable to speak coherently or hear, never knowing a single word of any language spoken by any other human, but able to communicate using a customized, hierarchical vocabulary tree that can be accessed via binary code. Output would be via a series of muscle twitches, input could be through a series of taps or electrical pulses to any bit of skin.


Of course, with voice synthesizers and translation programs, the candidate would actually be less impaired by spoken language differences than the other candidates.

Date: 2012-10-19 06:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maruad.livejournal.com
I was thinking more along the line of Bush the Lesser (or younger) level of spouting nonsense.

Date: 2012-10-20 10:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scott-sanford.livejournal.com
After years of exposure to Steven Hawking we're accustomed to taking seriously a nigh-motionless human with a wheelchair and a speech synthesizer. This could work.

On the other hand, you do have to kind of take on faith that the person in the chair is also the one working the electronics. I'll let others make up their own list of politicians who seem to be animatronic dolls operated from off camera by a Dalek...

Date: 2012-10-19 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
Julian Castro, whose name has been batted about much lately, would not be the guy: he's not fluent in Spanish.

Date: 2012-10-31 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] womzilla.livejournal.com
Clarence Thomas and Sonya Sotomayor will almost certainly never be president, but they're both very high-ranking members of the government who are bilingual--Thomas grew up speaking Gulla. (Thomas says that his public reticence owes in large part to being mocked for his accent as a child.)

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