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What panel topics would induce you to watch if I was one of the panelists?

I've suggested one on space colonization with me, Charles Stross and a couple of Space Colony True Believers, as well as something related to my f/m posts.

Date: 2012-06-27 05:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bibliofile
An option that might prove more entertaining for the audience than for you: a James blog live sort of experience. Tell cat stories! Poll the audience! Someone on the side to hold up signs as appropriate (e.g., "memetic prophylactic recommended")!

Or maybe an Iron Blog competition with you & Stross and a few other likely suspects....

Date: 2012-06-29 08:01 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thejeopardymaze
Cats.

Date: 2012-06-26 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kithrup.livejournal.com
The prevalence of DOOOOOOOOOOOOM.

Greg Bear -- threat, menace, or distraction?

Cats.

Date: 2012-06-26 05:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] seawasp
"The Unchanging and Eternal Stars" sounds promising.

"Doom, Doom, and Doomy Doom" would be fun.

Space Colonization you already have -- as long as there's plenty of discussion of our Helium-3 mining.

Date: 2012-06-26 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com
The sad thing is I don't care about Bear. In fact, that's one of the great tragedies of SF from my personal point of view: the process by which SF authors transform my relationship to their fiction from one of keen interest to total indifference. With people like Paolo Bacigalupi while I loathe every aspect of their fiction, at least I feel something more than complete and utter detachment.

Date: 2012-06-26 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
Was it all him, or you too? I think you mentioned coming back to Eon and belatedly realizing that even the parts of the premise that were trying to be hard SF made no sense.

Date: 2012-06-26 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com
I'd quote from Stover on anthopology here but by reviewing something I'm interacting with it so I am part of the process as well.

Eon is nonsense but at least it was pretty nonsense. Bear's more recent books are just a bit dull, retreats of stuff other people did better first.

Date: 2012-06-26 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
That's the impression I got from just reading summaries of them, but I wasn't sure if it was true.

At one time, I thought of Bear as a logical heir to Clarke; he had a similar way with evocative imagery, and his novels tended to have similar themes.

Date: 2012-06-26 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com
Speaking of authors whose later books dwindled into a sad echo of what once was....

Date: 2012-06-26 06:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com
My impression of Greg Bear was that he started as an interesting weird sf writer, but when he was influenced by Poul Anderson, his writing became more normal and less interesting.

Date: 2012-06-26 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mindstalk.livejournal.com
James Nicoll and Leslie Fish on cat colony stories?

well done!

Date: 2012-06-26 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/krin_o_o_/

....

DAMN. I'd actually go to that one!

Date: 2012-06-28 11:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scott-sanford.livejournal.com
This one, definitely this one.

Date: 2012-06-26 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doc-lemming.livejournal.com
Forgive my ignorance, but in what context? I mean, probably an SF convention, but which one? That one in Chicago?

Topics:

Are we getting girl cooties on our science fiction? (For your fm stuff)

Doom: Threat or Menace?

Let's Bash the Popular: Why My Minority Viewpoint is Righter Than Yours
(Solicit a list of popular items and authors one day before the panel. Ready. Set. Go!)

Helium-3 Mining and Captain Scarlet: How we can combine almost every SF show into one baroque fandom

Yngvi Was A Louse: cross-book and cross-series games authors play

Date: 2012-06-26 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com
That one in Chicago, yup. I'm one of the GoH.

Re: Chicago?

Date: 2012-06-27 03:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com
I was testing to see if people were paying attention!

Date: 2012-06-26 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pickledginger.livejournal.com
Girl Cooties in Spaaace? With cats.

Date: 2012-06-26 07:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kgbooklog.livejournal.com
Doom: Threat or Menace?

Perfect.

Date: 2012-06-26 08:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doc-lemming.livejournal.com
Is an idea dead when it shows up in an SF RPG?

Mapping Heinlein, Clarke, and Asimov onto the Christian trinity, and other ideas guaranteed to offend (now with more cats)

Not Only Belisarius Counts: other historical models for SF
Edited Date: 2012-06-26 08:58 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-06-26 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neowolf2.livejournal.com
Of course there's history other than Belisarus.

Why, there's the Battle of Roark's Drift, and also the 1905 Russo-Japanese War.

Date: 2012-06-27 12:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant.livejournal.com
The Battle of Roark's Drift was covered by both S&M Stirling and Tanya Huff in books published within a month of each other. At a book signing, she explained that they had apparently watched the same movie on TV, and had been simultaneously inspired.

Date: 2012-06-27 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nelc.livejournal.com
How did the books compare?

Date: 2012-06-28 12:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant.livejournal.com
Stirling's setting was in an alternate-history where the 20th-century island of Nantucket (population 10,000) was thrown 5000 years back in time. They used their remaining technology to build sailing ships, single-shot rifles, and bayonets, and then proceed to get involved in a land war in Asia, fighting opponents armed with spears and swords. So, the events in the story pretty much lined up with the historical record - just moved a few thousand kilometers northeast.

Huff's setting was on a planet of aliens with a high birth rate. Their dumb and aggressive spawn were released into wilderness areas to fight and cull each other as they developed towards adulthood. A diplomatic delegation from other planets (including Earth) was sent; it had a multispecies armed forces unit attached to it for security. The security force's transport crash-landed in the middle of a wilderness area full of aggressive, hostile juvenile aliens. They took shelter in some abandoned buildings, and had to defend themselves until help arrived.

Read Stirling for the setting, Huff for the characters.

Date: 2012-06-27 04:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doc-lemming.livejournal.com
"You Got Chocolate In My Peanut Butter--when Science Fiction Claims Vampires and Fantasy Claims Aliens"

"Don't Interfere with Charlie's Living: A discussion of Fan Fiction"

"How can such an unpopular genre have so many books? A reviewer wonders" (with pictures of cats)

Date: 2012-06-26 05:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nihilistic-kid.livejournal.com
Orson Scott Card: How We Should Live.

Date: 2012-06-26 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] timgueguen.livejournal.com
Wouldn't a confrontation with Card be more appropriate via dueling with flintlock pistols, or paintball guns, or something?

Date: 2012-06-27 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nelc.livejournal.com
In a freefall gymnasium, though that would probably give OSC the advantage.

Date: 2012-06-26 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com
Growing Your Con Through Ever More Demanding Standards of Purity

Date: 2012-06-26 06:12 pm (UTC)
seawasp: (Default)
From: [personal profile] seawasp
Only if you can include strong representatives of at least three different types of "purity". I want the popcorn concession.

Date: 2012-06-27 03:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thebitterguy
I'd like to watch that.

Date: 2012-06-27 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doc-lemming.livejournal.com
In order to get Charlie on the panel, the title has to be "Real Scotsmen Don't" with the rest as a subtitle.

Date: 2012-06-26 06:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhetley.livejournal.com
Ideology -- threat or menace?
Edited Date: 2012-06-26 06:01 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-06-26 06:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] julesjones
I'm thinking lunar He3 as a fuel source for space colonisation, with the panel composition you describe in your original post.

Date: 2012-06-27 01:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nelc.livejournal.com
I think you ought to add steampunk into the mix, to ensure 100% response from Charlie.

Date: 2012-06-27 04:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] awesomeaud.livejournal.com
"Steampunk: Science Fiction's idiot child"

Date: 2012-06-27 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nelc.livejournal.com
I was thinking of some awful/awesome hybrid of the L5 society and steampunk (why hasn't this already been made as an anime?), to mix the Victorian colonial attitudes with the space cadets', so that Charlie would truly pop a gasket.

Date: 2012-06-27 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neowolf2.livejournal.com
This reminded me of the recent QC with "explain Steampunk!"

Date: 2012-06-26 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agharta75.livejournal.com
"Because I Care"

Date: 2012-06-26 06:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhetley.livejournal.com
"How I learned to stop worrying and love the bicycle."

Date: 2012-06-26 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/krin_o_o_/
"Fishes, Bicycles, and Co-dependance in Science Fiction"

"Oxford Comma: threat, menace, or 'I saw what you did there'?"

'"logical quotation" vs. "typographical quotation" or "'WHAT!' said she"?'

The proper style and form for nesting of quotation, titles and parenthetical phrases.

Date: 2012-06-26 09:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] beamjockey.livejournal.com
Good luck getting this to come out right in the program book and pocket program.

Date: 2012-06-27 08:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apostle-of-eris.livejournal.com
T*H*A*T is the scariest icon I've ever seen.

Date: 2012-06-26 06:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
Memetic Prophylaxis Recommendations I Have Made

Date: 2012-06-26 07:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] viktor-haag.livejournal.com
Yes. With accompanying detailed PowerPoint including URLs. And handouts.

Date: 2012-06-27 04:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doc-lemming.livejournal.com
And 3D glasses with black paper pasted over the lenses so you can choose to put them on not to see.

Date: 2012-06-27 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] viktor-haag.livejournal.com
There is no not-seeing. You will watch. All of it.

Date: 2012-06-27 05:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
One of William Castle's gimmick horror movies was a black-and-white one with ghosts superimposed in red blue, and he had people hand out colored filters you could look through in case you found them so terrifying that you preferred a ghost-free viewing experience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_Ghosts
Edited Date: 2012-06-27 05:30 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-06-27 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doc-lemming.livejournal.com
Some day, I will have a complete list of gimmicks that William Castle did.

Assuming I can get the list without actual work on my part. :)

Date: 2012-06-27 11:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
He was a true genius of hokum, right up there with Barnum.

Date: 2012-06-26 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/krin_o_o_/
"Spent Memetic Prophylaxis and the disposal there of"

Date: 2012-06-26 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seth ellis (from livejournal.com)
Plus one.

Date: 2012-06-27 03:35 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] agent-mimi.livejournal.com
Sigh. Makes my suggestion of "Memetic Prophylaxis Recommendation: Threat or Menace" even more obsolete.

Date: 2012-06-26 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sean o'hara (from livejournal.com)
Paul Ehrlich Can Rot in Hell: How Pop-Sci Books Damage the Sci-Fi Genre.

Date: 2012-06-30 05:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] le-trombone.livejournal.com
I think the subtitle would make an excellent panel title. Ehrlich doesn't really deserve top billing.

Also, I'd be interested in a list of the pop-science books that qualified.

So: "Popular Science Books that Damaged the SF Genre" has as many votes as I can stuff.

Date: 2012-06-26 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Eternally Screwed Africa and other Stereotypes! In! Space!

The Grim Dead Hand of John W Campbell

James Howard Kunstler: Threat or Menace

On a more serious note, given your creative imagination, a look at SF Deep Futures of the non-Singularity variety might be fascinating.

Bruce

Date: 2012-06-26 07:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/krin_o_o_/

"Bronies" or "How I stopped hating and learned to love the clomp."

Date: 2012-06-26 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mindstalk.livejournal.com
Population predictions and SF

"How Saturn's Childre stole my Freedom Shock idea" :p

Date: 2012-06-26 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neowolf2.livejournal.com
Whatever it is, it should be called The Nicoll Event.

Date: 2012-06-27 01:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jsburbidge.livejournal.com
Held in a large room with all other attendees a long way away from James.

Date: 2012-06-29 03:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scott-sanford.livejournal.com
I have proposed before that a staff member be assigned to follow James around with a fire extinguisher and first aid kit.

Date: 2012-07-24 02:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeffreyab.livejournal.com
That would be me, good thing I just renewed my Red Cross first aid training.

Date: 2012-06-26 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gareth-wilson.livejournal.com
Advocacy in SF: Are SF stories effective ways of promoting political or ideological messages? If they do, can they still be good stories? Do you have to agree with a story's message to enjoy it?

Date: 2012-06-26 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeffr23.livejournal.com
The Aliens Next Door: A Guide to Understanding Canada for Yanks.

Date: 2012-06-27 01:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nelc.livejournal.com
And Charlie Stross representing the truly alien, from Scotland?

Date: 2012-06-27 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maruad.livejournal.com
When I was growing up, and oddly high number of my neighbours had been born in Europe with a few from Scotland and even one family from England. There were not any from the USA. For many years Americans seemed more alien. Years of exposure to American TV programming has changed this view to a certain extent.

Date: 2012-06-27 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nelc.livejournal.com
You realise that's an open invitation to comment on the alien-ness of US TV programming?

Date: 2012-06-27 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maruad.livejournal.com
I am okay with that. When I was young, there used to be a lot more programming from the UK, showing on Canadian stations, in proportion to what there was from the USA. Nowadays it is very heavily American with many of the Canadian shows virtually indistinguishable from their American counterparts.

Date: 2012-06-28 02:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeffreyab.livejournal.com
I remember that in the 60's and 70's CBC Windsor could not show US shows bought by CBC so it featured a number of British shows like Doctor in the House. So ironically the Canadian city closest to an American city actually had the most British television.

Date: 2012-06-28 12:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] resonant.livejournal.com
Scotland - isn't that someplace in England?

Date: 2012-06-28 01:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nelc.livejournal.com
Nod. It's suburb of London.

Date: 2012-06-27 04:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keithmm.livejournal.com
Should Women's Opinions Regarding the People Escaping the Grim Meathook Future of DOOM that is Earth to the Lunar He3 Mining Colonies be Considered?

Date: 2012-06-28 12:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agharta75.livejournal.com
Threat or Menace?

Date: 2012-06-27 06:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zxhrue.livejournal.com

the panels you've already suggested are perhaps the best choices. I would certainly go to see either of them, and in point of fact would hope that videos or at least transcripts of any such events were made available online eventually.

I think there is a panel topic based on this comment:

In fact, that's one of the great tragedies of SF from my personal point of view: the process by which SF authors transform my relationship to their fiction from one of keen interest to total indifference. With people like Paolo Bacigalupi while I loathe every aspect of their fiction, at least I feel something more than complete and utter detachment.

something along the lines of when does the progression of brain eater's disease cause an author's oeuvre to become unpalatable? how and when does authorial inconsistency, implausibility, or just plain anti-ismness lead to either a reflexive book against the wall response, or the aforementioned slide into indifference? how vitriolic does an author's non-oeuvre spew have to be to irrevocably taint _all_ their writing forever? names would perhaps have to be elided to avoid needlessly insulting the dead, or a tort for defamation.


Date: 2012-06-27 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neowolf2.livejournal.com
How about a broad overview of SF cliches and tropes, both past and present, and some thoughts of how SF falls into the trap of propagating such things, especially when they are Obviously Wrong?

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