Re: Well, here's the problem ...

Date: 2008-10-24 10:46 pm (UTC)
First of all, thanks for alerting me to these two -- hadn't yet heard of this particular pair, even though I have wrestled with creationists in the past, ... only to discover, that there's no refuted -- by their own admission -- argument, that they will not recycle, if they think they're with a "new" audience that hadn't witnessed the demolition, whom they might still dupe with it. They don't actually care about The Truth, only about persuading people to join the Jeebus movement, as they imagine it.

Which is to say, they are not honest people with a differing understanding of the world, they are dishonest people -- but, I digress.

You write, "They are attempting to resurrect Cartesian dualism - the idea that brain and mind are two fundamentally different kinds of things, material and immaterial".

I anticipate (without knowing it is so -- consider this a hypothesis to be tested by an experimental reading of their blathering) -- that they must do so by implicitly constructing a straw-man "brain".

A straw-man "brain" which rhetorically is material-atomic, but which is not material-electrical (i.e., gloss away the energy).

One which is material-achronous -- so scratch the relevance of time and memory.

One which is not actually fully synaptic -- hence, skip the connectivity, and therefore the information content.

Also, I imagine they'd be quite dismissive (or utterly ignorant) of all we know of Ramsey Theory and of Complexity Theory (viz., of emergent properties).

In other words, I predict they construct a conveniently refutable neuroscientific "materialism" that is not genuinely the point of view of any actual neuroscientist, living or dead.

They will then (I hypothesize) demolish this straw man, and climb the nearest hill in order to ululate this supposed triumph to the Moon.

(You know, there was a time, a one or two centuries ago, when Western religion at least tried to be an intellectual enterprise, rather than an anti-intellectual one. I'm not sure what forbidden fruit it ate, when, since then, but it certainly is in a fallen state by comparison, now.)
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