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I'm trying to think of a good example of an SF story with a crewed exploration vehicle armed with a large flotilla of robotic probes (The idea being the meat stays where it's safe, but close enough to the remotes not to have significant time lag).

Date: 2009-08-04 07:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] alexx-kay.livejournal.com
Possibly _A Deepness in the Sky_?

_Diaspora_ maybe, though they don't technically have meat in that one.

Date: 2009-08-04 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chaotic-nipple.livejournal.com
IIRC, Blindsight had such, but the crew still ended up going out when the robots proved inadequate.

Date: 2009-08-04 07:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] brewsternorth.livejournal.com
Star Trek: The Motion Picture comes to mind, though again the meat makes a break for it when the robots fail to be much use.

Date: 2009-08-04 07:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] fridgepunk.livejournal.com
There's a few harry harrison short stories in (I think) Stainless Steel Visions where those conditions are almost met (the humans eventually have to go down themselves of course to bring the drama).

Forever Peace also jumped to mind, though it doesn't actually fit at all.

The Culture Minds tend to go this route except in situations where they can justify sending one of their many meat puppets (AKA culture citizens) to die horribly after witnessing oh-so-shocking activities by the locals.

Date: 2009-08-04 07:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/krin_o_o_/
You mean one without the robotic probes catching a viral alien human hating program, going insane, or attaining sentience and turning on their creators 'just because'?

Would it even be possible to write such a story and have it be 'good'.

Doesn't it violate some principle of protagonist verses "something" to do it all by proxy and have him never be in harms way?

Date: 2009-08-04 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeffr23.livejournal.com
Blake's Seven used robotic probes all the time. Probably more for SFX budget than crew safety reasons, but...

Date: 2009-08-04 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oh6.livejournal.com
Aaron Alexovich's Kimmie66 has this, where planets discovered by robots are released to the public as virtual environments when they've been sufficiently explored. It's not really crucial to the story but the comic goes into some detail.

Date: 2009-08-04 08:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dd-b.livejournal.com
Something like that's going on in Incandescence (Greg Egan), which I'm currently reading.

The beings (one of whom has DNA ancestry) are currently exploring "in person" in very small (millimeter range, I think) avatars.

Date: 2009-08-04 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eyemage.livejournal.com
how about the Rocheworld trilogy ( aka flight of the dragonfly ) by RL Forward?

its been awhile since ive read them, but i recall lots of robotic "trees" that explored ahead of the humans.

Date: 2009-08-04 09:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joenotcharles.livejournal.com
I'm sure I read a space opera (or maybe MilSF) where everything was drones, drones, drones. Humans crewed the ships but battles between the ships were entirely "my drone fu is stronger than yours!" Completely blanking on other details, though.

Date: 2009-08-04 09:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alicebentley
They are mercenaries rather than explorers, but there's the Very Dangerous Array in Schlock Mercenary.

Date: 2009-08-04 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scentofviolets.livejournal.com
Vinge's "Marooned in Realtime". Dela Lu stays more or less safely in stasis while retaining executive control over the drones that do the real fighting. Can't be otherwise, since 'more time safely ensconced in stasis' equates to 'less time to direct operations'.

Date: 2009-08-04 10:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] le-trombone.livejournal.com
Hmm. I'll have to re-read, but does Hal Clement's Close to Critical count? It may be it fails on the "flotilla" portion of your question.

Date: 2009-08-04 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] matt-ruff.livejournal.com
The present-day storyline of Titanic?

Robot exploration

Date: 2009-08-05 12:51 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Bob Shaw's 'Ship of Strangers' had robots exploring uninhabited planets under the control of the ship's brain, called Aesop - as I remember it, the robots moved off at different angles from the landing point to cover the whole surface, and then the ship stooged round to pick them up again...

Gosh, I hadn't thought of that book for about thirty years.

Date: 2009-08-05 12:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rosefox
Just read one in The New Space Opera 2: Peter Watts's "The Island".

Dome, by Michael Reeves and Steve Perry

Date: 2009-08-05 01:12 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] disassembly_rsn
Chapter 1 - grad student in geology sends a probe out from his sub to study an active volcano closeup. If he hadn't done something silly in an attempt to get even more impressive pictures / data for his doctoral defense, he'd have been fine.

Date: 2009-08-05 01:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dsrtao
_Aristoi_, Walter Jon Williams. The robotic probes go in first, cover a bunch of planets, and provide enough intelligence to identify a good candidate planet, do bioscans of the inhabitants, and work out a vocabulary, grammar, and cultural history. Only then do the humans come down to visit.

Date: 2009-08-05 02:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ilya187.livejournal.com
Robert Forward's "Camelot 30K". All interaction between humans and alien keracks was via kerack-shaped remote waldos. But this was to get around the huge size disparity (a human could hardly fit in any kerack building!), rather than to keep humans safe. Humans were right on the surface[1], about 30 km away.

[1]Surface of unnamed Kuiper Belt object bigger than Pluto. "Camelot 30K" was written before Eris was discovered.

Date: 2009-08-05 04:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] womzilla.livejournal.com
Smartass answer: "Rogue Moon", except that the large flotilla of robot probes is made of cloned meat. (Actually, I've never thought of it this way, but Jack Chalker's Four Lords of the Diamond is a similar situation, in that a single brilliant agent is repeatedly cloned, sent on one-way trips into death traps, and reports back by telepathy.)

There is an armada of robot drone hunters at the beginning of The Empire Strikes Back, but despite the existence of cheap human-level AI, the drones are pretty stupid.



Date: 2009-08-05 12:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yorksranter.wordpress.com (from livejournal.com)
John Wyndham, The Outward Urge.

US, Soviet, and British forces engage in interspace combat. Soviet spacecraft use a flotilla of small robotic missiles ("wasps") to attack (and destroy) the US military's space stations. Later, the Soviet missile base on the Moon is destroyed by a flock of US unmanned lunar vehicles, which are evidently robotic rather than teleoperated - they exhibit biomimetic swarming behaviour in manoeuvring across the lunar surface and evading defensive fire, before detonating their (tactical nuclear, IIRC) payloads as close as they can get to the base's airtight hull. There is another reason why they must be fully autonomous robots but that's a huge SPOILER.

Arguably, the aliens in The Kraken Wakes use the same strategy to explore the Earth's land mass. (they send out vehicles which may or may not be manned...ah...crewed, which themselves deploy...devices...which may be either machines or lifeforms...to carry out SPOILER missions)

Date: 2009-08-05 03:16 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Ken MacLeod, Learning the World.

-- Paul C.

Date: 2009-08-06 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wakboth.livejournal.com
I think one of Alastair Reynolds "Inhibitor" books had the incoming starship spreading out subsequent swarms of observer drones, so that by the time they had braked down from near-lightspeed, they had very good interferometry pics of the wider system, and specialized probes around the more interesting system objects.

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