james_davis_nicoll | I really dislike this Tilly character

james_davis_nicoll

Smiling while you casually toss consent to one side doesn't make it less of a violation of consent.

Crossposts: https://james-nicoll.livejournal.com/6030634.html

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From:

catlinyemaker

I'm reading it with a great deal of trepidation and cringing at every page. I really hope the writer doesn't pull something like revealing Tilly to have a tragic backstory and bad circumstances (which obvs she's in a bad circumstance right now) and thus having the current cast feel sorry for them and accept them into their circle.

"You're not allowed behind the counter." made me cheer.

From:

catherineldf

The vast majority of the writing and acting is so very awkward as robe baffling. I don't hate most of it but really want the show to get a lot better soon.

From:

james_davis_nicoll

Show?

From:

james_davis_nicoll

rope baffling?

From:

jwgh

I think that catlinyemaker didn't click on the link and thought you were talking about a character on Star Trek: Discovery.

(Which I haven't watched yet, so I'm not sure whether 'robe baffling' is a reference to something in the show, or some piece of jargon I'm not familiar with, or is an intriguing typo, or some combination of those.)

From:

catherineldf

Star Trek: Discovery. Or are you talking about a different Tilly?

From:

catherineldf

"Robe baffling" is an obliging creation of Auto Correct, much like my user name above. "to be baffling."

From:

keith_morrison

Different Tilly.

From:

catlinyemaker

"robe" = "to be", perhaps?

From:

catlinyemaker

Nope, Catlinyemaker was talking about "Questionable Content", the webcomic. :) I think you meant catherineldf.

From:

jwgh

Whoops, sorry about that!

From:

naomikritzer

I am optimistic that Tilly's storyline is going to be "some people are assholes we don't have to put up with."

From:

magedragonfire

I generally trust Jeph Jacques as a storyteller, so I'm willing to stick this out and see where it goes - but, yeah, Tilly's whole raison-d'etre is just so uncomfortable. Good intentions are dandy and all, but not when they run rampant all over someone else's comfort zones (and, ffs, work).

Edited Date: 2017-11-17 05:33 pm (UTC)

From:

alexxkay

I find it an interesting reflection of Hanners' mom's awfulness that Hannelore blithely accepts and internalizes her mom's mistake of Tilly's name, and that Tilly, while clearly wanting to assert her real name, *never* does so forcefully.

(It *could* be a conscious micro-aggression on H's part, but if so, that would be an even more indictment of her mom's influence.)

That said, I am also upset by this storyline.

From:

alexxkay

Assuming that Tilly has accepted significant portions of mom's viewpoint: "That's not work, that's a hobby she uses to pass the time during this rebellious phase she's going through. It's not like she needs the money."

From:

seawasp

Yes. I really want this one to end.

I want my Bubbles plotline to resume, dang it!

From:

magedragonfire

Mrs. Chatham probably could do with a few good solid years of being a barista, to be honest.

Just... somewhere unpleasant, where the customers probably deserve her as much as she deserves them.

From:

james_davis_nicoll

I am talking about the web comic Questionable Content, which I link to in my post.

From:

catherineldf

Got it. Can't see the link for some reason and your post happened to tie in with the show, at least for me.

From:

jamoche

The lobby of an office building populated by people like herself.

From:

catlinyemaker

I sincerely hope that you are correct. Sadly my optimism generator is rather battered this year and working only intermittently.

From:

movingfinger

Yes, my suspicion is that Hannelore's mother is holding something over Tilly to compel her to serve/normalize Hannelore, some horrifying incentive. Then Hannelore, finding out, calls her mother and screams at her for abusing Tilly.

That still doesn't make it okay.

However, climbing over the counter is not normal human behavior, so possibly Tilly is a bot. But I'd have expected Winslow to rumble her, unless, as I said, she has a horrific sob story to justify behaving in the controlling way that Hannelore's mother would love to behave.

It's weird that Tilly was given no information like "client works in a coffee shop."

From:

dsrtao

H's mother knows about this, and thinks it's horribly declassé and probably just a phase, so it's not important.

From:

beamjockey

"Robe baffling" is an exciting new coinage. Perhaps it will become the new "bankrupt my pants."

From:

catherineldf

We should start a list!

From:

naomikritzer

I initially read Tilly as a robot, and was surprised when she got offered pancakes, since the robots don't eat. Possibly that was Windslow trying to suss out whether she was bot or human, and she foiled him by accepting?

From:

naomikritzer

Jeph Jacques Tweeted about it a few days ago: https://twitter.com/jephjacques/status/930216071713492992

From:

naomikritzer

I keep hoping that Bubbles will turn up and SHOW TILLY THE DOOR.

From:

magedragonfire

...I can only imagine Bubbles pulling the door off and looming over Tilly with it. Dora might take umbrage, though.

From:

ffutures

I have a feeling here that Hannelore's mom is testing Tilly in some way - will she be a good enough judge of the situatio to realise that she really isn't wanted or needed?

From:

jessie_c

That's a pretty awful way to do that. I can think of several different ways which are not nearly so awful.

From: (Anonymous)

Now that we know Bubbles is mechanically inclined, I'm sure she can put the door back as good as new.

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From:

brooksmoses

Maybe. Given the circumstances, I'm not so sure Dora would complain.

From: (Anonymous)

I can totally see how you got there.

From:

errolwi

I can totally see how you got there. The Mirror Universe theory would be a useful explanation for various oddities in ST:Disco.

From:

gale_storm

Oi. Glad to learn that I’m not alone in not liking Tilly much at all, or rather that I’m very very much not alone in not liking Tilly much at all.

From:

agharta75

Hanners has got this. Don't worry.

From:

bunsen_h

As I mentioned in the other thread, I'm more of an opinion that Ms. Chatham is trying to test or teach Hannelore. Tilly is just a tool in this regard. And, well, in others.

From: (Anonymous)

Of the robot characters, only Bubbles seems to have the kind of sensor suite that would instantly detect if a person she is talking to is a human or a robot. We shall see if Bubbles and Tilly meet.

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