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After all, I will argue that Starship Troopers is proto-MilSF.
Brin's system of sorting SF from F will produce counter-intuitive results, like Asimov's Foundation, which is all about restoring the Old Order What Stood for Thousands of Years, is fantasy, whereas any Diskworld novel about clackers and the post and dwarves and trolls learning to coexist is SF.
(it's important to note "Having said that, what is my definition of the separation?". Brin's definition, not THE WORD OF MIGHT DEGLER HIMSELF)
Brin's system of sorting SF from F will produce counter-intuitive results, like Asimov's Foundation, which is all about restoring the Old Order What Stood for Thousands of Years, is fantasy, whereas any Diskworld novel about clackers and the post and dwarves and trolls learning to coexist is SF.
(it's important to note "Having said that, what is my definition of the separation?". Brin's definition, not THE WORD OF MIGHT DEGLER HIMSELF)
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Date: 2017-03-13 03:39 pm (UTC)In the case of Brin's rule of thumb, we get the the result that some Discworld novels are fantasy, and some are science fiction.
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Date: 2017-03-13 05:16 pm (UTC)Overall, this seems about as useful a distinction as "we read erotica, you read porn, they read filth."
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Date: 2017-03-13 03:41 pm (UTC)Forget idiosyncratic classification systems, I'm concerned about his idiosyncratic use of italics.
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Date: 2017-03-13 05:06 pm (UTC)He's found a lovely way to pat himself on the back for liking the books he likes, while feeling superior to people who like the books he doesn't like. I don't see his system as being terribly useful for any other purpose.
(I have no doubt that he'd find some way to classify Foundation as SF, by the by.)
obNitpick: "Idiosyncratic" has no E in it.
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Date: 2017-03-13 05:15 pm (UTC)Overall, this seems about as useful a distinction as "we read erotica, you read porn, they read filth."
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Date: 2017-03-13 11:15 pm (UTC)And IIRC nothing much changes there either - why should it, when
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Date: 2017-03-14 02:35 am (UTC)Ok, by a sane definition - The Science of Discworld. Fantasy or SF?
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Date: 2017-03-14 03:21 pm (UTC)In any event, I don't see what's wrong with classing Foundation as fantasy. The second book is all about a guy with magical powers taking over the galaxy, and it gets more ridiculous from there.
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Date: 2017-03-14 04:23 pm (UTC)Less cynically, they can be useful points of alignment for the creator and the perceiver. A creator can think of genre-alignment as a way to intertextually refer to other works that align to the genre, and thus draw upon a wider array of meaning context in their work, and also play with the tension between expectation and realization. A perceiver can think of genre-alignment as a way to help filter out stories that might be more likely to entertain them in a particular way, or satiate particular cravings (or less likely to put them off by presenting things that run counter to taste).
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Date: 2017-03-16 03:20 am (UTC)That said, while I wouldn't called Discworld SF, I'd say it is very much fantasy with a kind of SF feel or mindset -- not for the improvability (which comes after I first had this impression) but for the approach to magic and other 'fantastic' elements.
Ted Chiang, too -- many of his stories are pure fantasy in subject matter, but SFnal in mindset. Contrast with the far more common SF subject matter (robots and spaceships) but fantastic mindset.