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After all, I will argue that Starship Troopers is proto-MilSF.

Brin's system of sorting SF from F will produce counter-intuitive results, like Asimov's Foundation, which is all about restoring the Old Order What Stood for Thousands of Years, is fantasy, whereas any Diskworld novel about clackers and the post and dwarves and trolls learning to coexist is SF.

(it's important to note "Having said that, what is my definition of the separation?". Brin's definition, not THE WORD OF MIGHT DEGLER HIMSELF)

Date: 2017-03-13 03:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kjn
I'd say that any attempt to make a classification system of science fiction and fantasy will get at least one of (a) encounter important works that the system fails to include, (b) include works that are usually sorted in the other genre, (c) find works that manage to be under both categories, (d) find other idiosyncratic results.

In the case of Brin's rule of thumb, we get the the result that some Discworld novels are fantasy, and some are science fiction.

Date: 2017-03-13 05:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] redbird
I think he's just classified War for the Oaks as science fiction, since a chunk of what it's about is social change in Faerie.

Overall, this seems about as useful a distinction as "we read erotica, you read porn, they read filth."

Date: 2017-03-13 05:18 pm (UTC)
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It would be nice to think that someone, someday, will be able to improve on Terry Carr's definition of science fiction, but even if that's possible, this isn't it.

Date: 2017-03-13 11:43 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oh6
I fear that definition is more aspirational than representative. At worst, it's effectively reactionary, as it assumes that fantasy is a lost cause as a progressive genre.

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