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james_davis_nicoll ([personal profile] james_davis_nicoll) wrote2011-02-14 04:42 pm

Because only awesomeness can come from googling sarah palin egypt

From the lips of America's next President:

"And nobody yet has, nobody yet has explained to the American public what they know, and surely they know more than the rest of us know who it is who will be taking the place of Mubarak and no, not, not real enthused about what it is that that's being done on a national level and from DC in regards to understanding all the situation there in Egypt. And, in these areas that are so volatile right now, because obviously it's not just Egypt but the other countries too where we are seeing uprisings, we know that now more than ever, we need strength and sound mind there in the White House. We need to know what it is that America stands for so we know who it is that America will stand with. And, we do not have all that information yet."


On a completely unrelated note


I'm linking to this Card essay on talk radio because I have an honest question: has Card always been this cool on Huckabee?

[identity profile] carloshasanax.livejournal.com 2011-02-14 04:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I honestly don't recall, but it wouldn't surprise me: Huckabee is a Southern Baptist minister and he has made traditionally Southern Baptist disparaging remarks about Mormon theology.

I would guess Huckabee might as well have made a DVD commentary track to The God Makers as far as Card is concerned.

Can't wait for the sixth and seventh generations of the Sea Org.

[identity profile] mme-hardy.livejournal.com 2011-02-14 05:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Many conservatives also dislike Huckabee because he believes that an inseparable part of Christianity is caring for the poor, and extends this principle to the Government. He also believes that God expects us to conserve the Earth.

"seeds that are birdfood in the feeder become weeds when they're growing in the soil underneath it."

Not if you buy sterilized birdfood; I'm pretty sure I've bought millet, for instance, that's been heat-treated to prevent germination.

He just needs to know that along with them comes a mess, no matter where he puts them.

Er.... yes. You will find very few obsessive-compulsive birds.

"[Fox has] ... scrupulously balanced news coverage all the rest of the time"

I think I broke something.

"Does he think there's no welfare available to the poor?"

Are there no workhouses?
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[personal profile] jwgh 2011-02-14 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I believe Card also believes in the government caring for the poor, but I forget what he thinks about environmentalism.

[identity profile] skapusniak.livejournal.com 2011-02-14 05:53 pm (UTC)(link)
The idea of Mike Huckabee doing a DVD commentary track to a filmic or televisual adaptation of Frank Herbert's The God Makers that I had previously not encountered, slightly blew my mind a for a moment there. Then I clicked the link and discovered what you actually meant.

Ah, right. Sorry, carry on.

[identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com 2011-02-14 06:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Southern Baptist-vs-Mormon friction keeps coming up in the context of Mitt Romney's various presidential runs. I've never had a good enough handle on how serious a political problem it would be for him, were he the real Republican frontrunner. Maybe we'll have to find out the hard way.

[identity profile] mme-hardy.livejournal.com 2011-02-14 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
My impression is that the religious-conservative base won't touch him, it being an article of faith that Mormons aren't Christians. Without that base, I'm not sure -- me, the universal expert speaking -- anybody can get nominated in the modern Republican party.

[identity profile] carloshasanax.livejournal.com 2011-02-14 07:20 pm (UTC)(link)
These days? certainly. This is the party which has a wing that accuses conservative activist Grover Norquist of being a secret Muslim. If circumcision weren't the norm among American men, I'd bet they demand he drop trou. Not only does the base employ religious tests, it employs insane religious tests.

It would be interesting to see how a modern Mo Udall would perform generally. Mormons aren't a monolith, and most of them have traditional mainline Protestant values. They do feel culturally embattled, though, and the Republican Party caters to that.

[identity profile] traviswells.livejournal.com 2011-02-14 09:59 pm (UTC)(link)
"If circumcision weren't the norm among American men, I'd bet they demand he drop trou."

Maybe we could use this to finally kill off male circumcision as standard practice in the US? Just convince the party leaders that it's an effective way to detect SECRET MUSLIMS (and for no extra charge we'll throw in jews, too!)

[identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com 2011-02-14 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Too much collateral damage, I think.

[identity profile] mindstalk.livejournal.com 2011-02-14 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
which has a wing that accuses conservative activist Grover Norquist of being a secret Muslim

what

[identity profile] carloshasanax.livejournal.com 2011-02-15 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
Welcome to the Terrordome. It starts there, goes through Michelle Malkin and assorted other professional bigots, and now the freak show has jackasses claiming Norquist is practicing taqiyya after marrying one of those people -- a Kuwaiti-American assistant director of USAID during the W administration -- and you know how the spouse always converts to the Religion of Peace.

It's like something from the 1930s.

[identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com 2011-02-14 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Heck, Mitt Romney himself isn't a monolith. Right now he seems to be trying to simultaneously position himself as a Tea Partier and as the counterprogramming to the Tea Partiers.

[identity profile] carloshasanax.livejournal.com 2011-02-14 07:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I suspect one of the Romney boys, or one of the many young Mormon Obama supporters -- e.g., Brady Poppinga -- will put this to the test in two, three decades. but American demographics will have changed too much to know what the response would be today.
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[identity profile] agent-mimi.livejournal.com 2011-02-14 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
My experience with Southern Baptist religion -- grew up around them and had an ex-Southern Baptist dad -- is that they have some sort of beef with MOST religious. The further away from Southern Baptist ideology the other religion is, the more they hate it. Roman Catholics, Mormons, and Jews are especially hated, but Protestants are tolerated as merely misguided. My dad dropped the church by the 1950s, yet the culture was so ingrained that was still suspicious of the Mormon family that moved in next door to us in the late 1980s. It's probably going to be difficult for Romney overcome the attitudes of that culture.

Note to everyone: Please do not mistake this comment as sympathy for Mittens.

[identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com 2011-02-14 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
As the atheist kid of lapsed Other Kind Of Baptists, I find they've mostly thought of me as conversion fodder.