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james_davis_nicoll ([personal profile] james_davis_nicoll) wrote2013-03-13 03:00 pm

That ... was fast

I thought there was no consensus heading into the conclave?

New pope chosen
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[personal profile] mishalak 2013-03-14 04:37 am (UTC)(link)
Eh. Pundits know nothing as usual. I have zero speculation myself, but I expect that nothing will change at the world's smallest state. He might be different, but the bureaucracy is eternal.

[identity profile] daveon.livejournal.com 2013-03-13 07:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Suggests an establishment candidate emerged...

[identity profile] daveon.livejournal.com 2013-03-13 07:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Apparently they've picked the guy who came second to Ratzinger and he's 76... so, we'll be having a rinse/repeat of this in the next 5-10 years then...

[identity profile] bruce munro (from livejournal.com) 2013-03-13 07:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Or perhaps he'll live to 96 and GO MAD WITH POWER!!

[identity profile] daveon.livejournal.com 2013-03-13 08:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Well... he *is* a Jesuit. As a friend of mine said, 'look busy'...

[identity profile] nojay.livejournal.com 2013-03-13 08:57 pm (UTC)(link)
He's missing a lung, according to reports, from a teenage illness. He may end up being a JP1...

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[identity profile] bschilli.livejournal.com 2013-03-13 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
The Archbishop of Buenos Aires Argentina

[identity profile] jeriendhal.livejournal.com 2013-03-13 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
They went with the conservative choice again. Not much chance for the liberal wing for the next decade or so, still.

[identity profile] daveon.livejournal.com 2013-03-13 08:10 pm (UTC)(link)
There's not been much chance for the liberal wing since JP2 and Ratzinger started picking the cardinals.

There will be a new pope inside of a decade I suspect, and they'll probably be a conservative, but then things might start to shift.

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[identity profile] xinef.livejournal.com 2013-03-13 08:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Is there a liberal wing? Didn't look like it to me!

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[identity profile] zibblsnrt.livejournal.com 2013-03-13 09:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Given some of the other options...

[identity profile] harvey-rrit.livejournal.com 2013-03-13 10:03 pm (UTC)(link)
A former Hitler Youth is succeeded by someone who moved to Argentina.

Nope, not creepy at all.

[identity profile] nathan helfinstine (from livejournal.com) 2013-03-13 10:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Ha! Good point.

[identity profile] jsburbidge.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
Born in Buenos Aires. His parents moved to Argentina.

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[identity profile] icecreamempress.livejournal.com 2013-03-13 10:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Clearly his long history of being a lackey for military dictators gave him an edge over those who were jus philosophically fascist.

[identity profile] bruce munro (from livejournal.com) 2013-03-13 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
He also did well in the "doesn't look like a Sith Lord" category.

[identity profile] austin-dern.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
Indeed. He's got much more of an ``isn't that Arthur C Clarke'' thing going on.

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[identity profile] jsburbidge.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
The Grauniad breakdown of cardinals listed him as one of the minority of "Moderates" (there were three categories: moderate, conservative, and ultra-conservative). For practical purposes hoping for someone more liberal than Francis assumes access to a different spacetime continuum.

At his age, even if he puts emphasis on some form of new direction (most likely related to social justice) the most to expect would be a "transitional" papacy. On the other hand, John XXIII's papacy lasted less than 5 years.

[identity profile] neowolf2.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
I like the choice of name.

I assume he's named after St. Francis Xavier, who was not only the founder of the SJ, but the patron saint of the X-Men.

[identity profile] nathan helfinstine (from livejournal.com) 2013-03-14 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
The speculation I've been reading is that he's referencing St. Francis of Assisi. Which seems fitting, as everyone is already talking about how he didn't live in his official archbishop quarters, took public transportation, etc.

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[identity profile] tandw.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 01:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Wasn't Ignatius Loyola the founder of the Society? Francis Xavier was a pretty special part of its early days, true, but it was Loyola who wrote the Spiritual Exercises.

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[identity profile] scott-sanford.livejournal.com 2013-03-16 07:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I look forward to his revision of Catholic boarding schools, particularly the addition of flying nuns and priests who take down troublemakers with lightening bolts.

[identity profile] sanskritabelt.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 03:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, at least this pope doesn't seem to have qualms about remanding priests to the secular authority.

[identity profile] icecreamempress.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 08:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Not for actual wrongdoing, though.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-14 08:41 pm (UTC)(link)
The first pope with Italian born parents in almost 35 years.

After Wojtyla and Ratzinger it's good to see a cardinal with a proper name, Bergoglio, elected.

I'm very excited.

- Syd