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james_davis_nicoll ([personal profile] james_davis_nicoll) wrote2013-03-13 03:00 pm

That ... was fast

I thought there was no consensus heading into the conclave?

New pope chosen

[identity profile] jsburbidge.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
Born in Buenos Aires. His parents moved to Argentina.

[identity profile] neowolf2.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
I like the choice of name.

I assume he's named after St. Francis Xavier, who was not only the founder of the SJ, but the patron saint of the X-Men.

[identity profile] nathan helfinstine (from livejournal.com) 2013-03-14 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
The speculation I've been reading is that he's referencing St. Francis of Assisi. Which seems fitting, as everyone is already talking about how he didn't live in his official archbishop quarters, took public transportation, etc.

[identity profile] austin-dern.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
Indeed. He's got much more of an ``isn't that Arthur C Clarke'' thing going on.

[identity profile] carloshasanax.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 01:54 am (UTC)(link)
... this is an improvement?

[identity profile] daveon.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
I suspect it's a bit of both frankly.

[identity profile] daev.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 02:33 am (UTC)(link)
The Pope looks like a gay left-wing rationalist... it's a start.

[identity profile] mindstalk.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 03:15 am (UTC)(link)
He's also been linked to the "dirty war", liking hiding political prisoners from human rights delegations.

http://rfmcdpei.livejournal.com/3398074.html
Edited 2013-03-14 03:15 (UTC)

[identity profile] neowolf2.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
I see what you did there.

[identity profile] ice-hesitant.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 04:01 am (UTC)(link)
Surely, orthodox in their beliefs?

[identity profile] daveon.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 05:46 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, excellent.... I wonder at this point if they have access to anybody who actually hasn't got a dodgy past or has covered up shit?

[identity profile] mindstalk.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 05:55 am (UTC)(link)
What would it take to be a bishop who wasn't involved in covering up abusive priests, given the widespread nature of abuse and priest-transferring and the lack of any bishops having gone public?

[identity profile] harvey-rrit.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 05:57 am (UTC)(link)
Oh.

So he grew up getting along with Juan and Evita and their dear dear friends.

Yeah, that's way better.

[identity profile] nojay.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 10:36 am (UTC)(link)
The first pictures of him on the balcony in the official Pope uniform made him look like shrunken old Uncle Fred at the wedding, fresh from the old folk's home and wearing that suit he used to fit into. Compared to the two bulletcatchers on either side of him he doesn't look too healthy.

[identity profile] carloshasanax.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 11:26 am (UTC)(link)
I hope the other allegations against Clarke were untrue. Given fannish and expat behavior from his time, I rather suspect that they weren't. Since it's now a political question in Sri Lanka, it won't be clarified any time soon.

[identity profile] tandw.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 01:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Wasn't Ignatius Loyola the founder of the Society? Francis Xavier was a pretty special part of its early days, true, but it was Loyola who wrote the Spiritual Exercises.
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[identity profile] alexx-kay.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 02:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I was recently (but well before the abdication announcement) reading about the (first) papal election of 1503: "Since neither could win ... all powers looked for a compromise candidate, someone old and sick and inert, likely to do little and die soon, and all hoped they could regroup and gain a majority by the time of the next election."

[identity profile] daveon.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 03:21 pm (UTC)(link)
You might find some people who had 'weird' roles in fairly remote locations? But I'm actually drawing a blank. I suspect there isn't a bishop left who hasn't moved a priest due to suspicions they don't want addressed.

[identity profile] sanskritabelt.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 03:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, at least this pope doesn't seem to have qualms about remanding priests to the secular authority.

[identity profile] icecreamempress.livejournal.com 2013-03-14 08:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Not for actual wrongdoing, though.

(Anonymous) 2013-03-14 08:41 pm (UTC)(link)
The first pope with Italian born parents in almost 35 years.

After Wojtyla and Ratzinger it's good to see a cardinal with a proper name, Bergoglio, elected.

I'm very excited.

- Syd

[identity profile] bruce munro (from livejournal.com) 2013-03-14 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey, until and unless Pope Francis, friend to animals and military dictators, excommunicates about 40% of the current hierarchy, including the previous Pope, for their role in the coverup, I'm fine with anything that makes people link the Catholic church with pedophilia.

[identity profile] viktor-haag.livejournal.com 2013-03-15 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Without in any way excusing the "transfer to avoid scandal" behaviour, we should probably take note that this isn't restricted to the Catholic church (or even religious bureaucracies) by any stretch. You'd probably be hard pressed to find a school-board, hospital, government bureaucracy, or large corporation where the executive layer of management hasn't engaged in this kind of behaviour to one degree or another, especially where the possibility of actually bringing criminal charges to bear would be tricky and potentially very public.

[identity profile] viktor-haag.livejournal.com 2013-03-15 04:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Because every single Argentinian in their 70s is automatically a fascist sympathizer. How neat and clean when you put it like that.

[identity profile] viktor-haag.livejournal.com 2013-03-15 04:36 pm (UTC)(link)
That was my understanding as well.

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