james_davis_nicoll | "[...] the campground smells like freedom, which turns out to be a whole lot of bacon."

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"[...] the campground smells like freedom, which turns out to be a whole lot of bacon."

As pointed out in email:

Last weekend, a group of libertarians and anarchists gathered in the woods of northern New Hampshire for the annual Porcupine Freedom Festival, aka PorcFest.

I went up for breakfast.

The audio download.

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Ah, freedom wafting on the breeze!

So by implication, freedom does not belong to any person who observes dietary restrictions against pork?

You're assuming that that bacon was made from pork, and not (say) long pig. With libertarians up in the woods free of social and state coercion, who knows?

"Dietary restrictions that include bacon" (I have a dietary restriction against long pig myself).

Anybody with dietary restrictions against Bacon and Beer must be enemies of Freedom!

or not.

They miss the important part.

Libertarians are against safety regulations. They claim that if a business isn't safe, then the Free Market will have people stop doing business there. And, apparently, that if you aren't satisfied, then you still have a gun [and ignore that Big Business can afford more guns, and shooters, than you can]. They are ignoring completely the lessons learned in the 18th & 19th centuries.

I know 29 guys who would offer a different opinion, if they were still alive today.

--Hawk

And the 20th and 21st centuries, really.

I listened to it to. I thought, if it's this much trouble to find even a common currency for a WEEKEND, how the heck do they expect it to work on a national level?

Answering my own question: It won't. These people are living in a fantasy world.

Either that or they have some "clever plan" to pull a fast one on the gov't.

The truth is that as we move away from physical currency, such as the dollar bill, it becomes easier and easier to follow where the money goes, and how it's spent. That's why grocery stores and others offer a "discount card."

You only need physical cash if you're doing something that you don't want the gov't following.

--Hawk

"You only need physical cash if you're doing something that you don't want the gov't following."

Except, governments aren't the only ones that do that "following" thing -- e.g., crazy ex-husbands, e.g., loan-sharks, e.g., etc.

TSM_in_Toronto

Well, I would like to get rid of the dollar paper and move completely to the dollar coin, as well as get rid of pennies. I almost always use cash in person, but pay bills online.

"bitcoins"

One of the inherent problems with libertarianism is that it is impossible to organize large groups of libertarians. If a libertarian creed ever goes big, it will by necessity include a larger than normal dose of hypocrisy to keep it's followers mostly sorta pointed in one direction.

This has been a "feature" of the anarchist movement since, oh, the invention of anarchism. Apparently very few dedicated and motivated anarchists are also good at taking directions and working in a group. Who knew?

Surprisingly, it's not unknown for anarchist event organizers to discover this until after events turn disorganized, leaving baffled committee members in their wake.

Wow. Great cartoon. Did you see Massey is selling to another company? Who say they'll think about the problems with Massey?

I demand the everything's worse with libertarians tag.

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"[...] the campground smells like freedom, which turns out to be a whole lot of bacon."

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