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james_davis_nicoll ([personal profile] james_davis_nicoll) wrote2010-07-21 03:48 pm

Question

Is it possible to find nice things to say about France without the ensuing discussion rapidly evolving into a U!S!A! U!S!A! U!S!A! discussion of health-care systems and such?

No.

[identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com 2010-07-21 05:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Delacroix. Ingres. Monet. Renoir. Alfred Jarry. Boris Vian. Moebius.

[identity profile] aisb23.livejournal.com 2010-07-21 05:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Speaking as retired professional wine geek (I used to sell the stuff for a living) I also tend to prefer Italian and Spanish wines to French. But I'll still drink French before most California wines.
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[identity profile] al-zorra.livejournal.com 2010-07-21 05:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Are cool and chic synonymous?

Myself, 'cool' is identified with attitude and presence. Chic, to me, means what and how you wear what you got wearin' on you (to inaccurately quote a teeny phrase from George Clinton's immortal "Summer Swim". :)

Though certainly the two can and do support each other!

Love, C.
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[identity profile] al-zorra.livejournal.com 2010-07-21 05:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Not to mention Roman ruins and some Roman infrastructure like bridges that are still in use!

And Brittany marshes, seas and forests!

Courtly Love romances!

Perfume!

So much wonderful about France, even though my heart is more Iberian than Gallic.

Love, C.

[identity profile] jsburbidge.livejournal.com 2010-07-21 05:58 pm (UTC)(link)
In my experience this is true mainly when the contrast, explicit or explicit, is to the U.S. When it's to any other country, the usual Canadian response is "What?" because they don't know anything about them.
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[identity profile] al-zorra.livejournal.com 2010-07-21 05:58 pm (UTC)(link)
But fortunately, there are those fluid borders where Iberia and Gaul tend to interpenetrate.

The Mediterranean coast continues to contribute to civilization.

Love, C.

[identity profile] daveon.livejournal.com 2010-07-21 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I feel your pain.

They probably had Champagne, from Reims on board too.

Tut, tut, tut...

[identity profile] ross-teneyck.livejournal.com 2010-07-21 06:04 pm (UTC)(link)
There was a time -- back before 9/11 and "freedom fries" and all that -- when I, in my naiveté, assumed that the reason that many people in the U.S. openly and broadly mocked the French was that it was obvious that we didn't really mean it. Because, you know, it would be ridiculous to actually have that level of bizarre animosity towards one of our major international allies. I imagined it was like the way that you're free to call your close friends names you would never hurl at a stranger; it's OK because everyone knows you're really best buds.

The popular U.S. reaction to France declining to jump on the Let's-Invade-Iraq-Because-9/11 bandwagon was quite the unpleasant eye-opener.
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[identity profile] agent-mimi.livejournal.com 2010-07-21 06:08 pm (UTC)(link)
If we're on a budget, we usually get A-Mano Primitivo, but I will buy U.S. wines like Chateau St Michelle reisling or $5 Beringer California cabernet. Many California wines I avoid, though, like Vendange which I suspect is liquified socks mixed with grape juice. Some of the lesser priced brands stink no matter what country they are from, Yellowtail or Rosemount.
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[identity profile] agent-mimi.livejournal.com 2010-07-21 06:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I prefer Renoir in the original Klingon.

[identity profile] galbinus-caeli.livejournal.com 2010-07-21 06:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Indeed they did. Served at takeoff and in the airport lounge beforehand. But only a philistine would substitute champagne for coffee.

[identity profile] anzhalyumitethe.livejournal.com 2010-07-21 06:18 pm (UTC)(link)
eh.

I've always viewed the Canadian, American, British and French relations as arguments between siblings. Sometimes it gets nasty. Sometimes it gets mushy. However, in the end, we are still family.

[identity profile] daveon.livejournal.com 2010-07-21 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Coffee on planes? Obviously for domestic US flights there really is no point, on account of it tastes like brown water. For long haul, it depends on the flight times and what the jet lag status will be at arrival.

That said, I rarely turn down a glass of champagne if offered. Somehow it tastes better before takeoff when you know that more than half the passengers won't be tasting it :)

[identity profile] galbinus-caeli.livejournal.com 2010-07-21 07:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yes. When they offer the juice or champagne before take off I always take both.

But I will drink good coffee or bad. I prefer good and will seek it out, but when bad is all that is on offer, bad it is.

[identity profile] zibblsnrt.livejournal.com 2010-07-21 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Why would there be any mention of the US, when the thread was about places one didn't or never had lived in and is presumably heavily represented by people who do or have lived in the US? Why is that surprising, or even interesting?
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[identity profile] agent-mimi.livejournal.com 2010-07-21 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)
If you're looking for positive mentions of the U.S., Charlie's blog wouldn't really be the first place to look, though.

[identity profile] kithrup.livejournal.com 2010-07-21 08:04 pm (UTC)(link)
In this case, "cool" is the same as "interesting." E.g., "Oh, that's cool!" said by a 9 year old.

[identity profile] errolwi.livejournal.com 2010-07-21 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
The thread does seem to be recovering nicely, and with minimal moderator intervention as well!

Fine: The USA

[identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com 2010-07-21 08:15 pm (UTC)(link)
1: Remarkably stable for a revolutionary republic.

2: Spends a disproportionately large amount per capita on space science.

3: The go-to nation for movies with explosions in them.

4: Despite decades of anti-immigrant measures, still attracts largest absolute number of immigrants of any nation on Earth.

5: The only place I've ever had decent biscuits and gravy.

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[identity profile] al-zorra.livejournal.com 2010-07-21 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Jules Verne, a citizen of France, published Journey to the Center of the Earth in 1864. H.G. Wells published The Time Machine in 1895.

Mary Shelley, of course, published Frankenstein in 1818 -- anonymously in England. The second edition, with her name on it, was published in -- France!

And I'll take odds that you and everybody else here knows all this already.

Love, C.



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[identity profile] al-zorra.livejournal.com 2010-07-21 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)
But right about one thing, when it comes to the blues or rock and roll, you don't want anything from France. Unless it is made by French citizens of African descent.

Love, C.
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[identity profile] al-zorra.livejournal.com 2010-07-21 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
If you want something damning about the French, you need only two words: San Domingue.

However, because of that, and the expense of trying to take it back from the revolutionaries, Napoleon sold Jefferson the Louisiana Territory, and thus we got New Orleans, a New World treasure house of music, almost equal to Havana.

Love, C.

[identity profile] ocschwar.livejournal.com 2010-07-21 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Up until the 1950's or so, the Distinct Canadian Identity (TM) was based on being more tory than the United States and not having namby pamby programs like the ones FDR peddled. So itgoes...

[identity profile] schizmatic.livejournal.com 2010-07-21 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, being an American, yeah, most of the stuff that I heard was along the lines of "We are the best, and totally different from America, because FREE HEALTH CARE!!!"

Which is why I like to say that as of a few months ago, all Canada has for a national identity are American co-pays and deductibles.

[identity profile] schizmatic.livejournal.com 2010-07-21 10:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, and on another note, I just had a quick look at your LJ--are you at St. Thomas? Because it would be really weird if I was in the same church as you for close to four years and have only actually said anything to you on James's LJ.

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