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james_davis_nicoll ([personal profile] james_davis_nicoll) wrote2025-04-24 10:30 pm

Very confused.

From this article

How do I reconcile "Toronto was the fastest-growing metropolitan area in Canada and the U.S. for the second consecutive year and saw an estimated population increase of nearly 269,000 people from July 2023 to July 2024, according to data from Statistics Canada and the U.S. Census Bureau."

with

"Domestically, though, more people are still moving away from the Toronto area than to it".

If more people leave than arrive, shouldn't Toronto be shrinking?
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[personal profile] jazzfish 2025-04-25 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
Perhaps the key word is 'domestically' and they're separating out immigrants moving to Toronto from Canadians doing the same?
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[personal profile] patrick_morris_miller 2025-04-25 02:58 am (UTC)(link)

Unless Torontonians really like to you-know-what.

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[personal profile] elusis 2025-04-25 03:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Clone themselves?
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[personal profile] patrick_morris_miller 2025-04-25 03:40 pm (UTC)(link)

"Oh, give me a clone

Of my own flesh and bone

With the Y chromosome changed to X..."

Edited 2025-04-25 17:34 (UTC)

[personal profile] penndavies 2025-04-25 03:23 am (UTC)(link)
"Toronto Metropolitan area" and "Toronto area" may not be the same thing.
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[personal profile] viktor_haag 2025-04-25 02:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I believe that the metro area is the city of Toronto proper (and its boroughs?), while the Toronto area is "the GTA" which includes areas around the city. I think the city itself has a population of about three million, while the GTA has a population of about 7 million (city + the rest).
Edited 2025-04-25 16:06 (UTC)
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[personal profile] ambyr 2025-04-25 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
If more people leave than arrive, shouldn't Toronto be shrinking?

Well, there's another way it grows beside people moving to it: people being born in it.
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[personal profile] violsva 2025-04-25 04:05 pm (UTC)(link)
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[personal profile] rezendi 2025-04-25 03:35 am (UTC)(link)
"The growth is driven by Canada’s high levels of international immigration in recent years, Clayton said. Toronto’s net loss in migration within Ontario and between provinces may pose issues down the road, Siemiatycki said."
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[personal profile] andrewducker 2025-04-25 08:26 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I was going to say that "domestically" is the key thing there. Canadians are moving out of Toronto, international immigrants are moving in.

(No judgement intended, before someone thinks I'm criticising.)

(Anonymous) 2025-04-26 11:49 am (UTC)(link)
Just check quickly that America hasn't invaded Canada already? You don't want to not notice when that happens.

Robert Carnegie
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[personal profile] agoodwinsmith 2025-04-25 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Prolly the issue is that "Toronto" and "Toronto area" are not the same place. The "Toronto area" contains "Toronto", but "Toronto" is only part of the "Toronto area". Someone can move out of "Toronto" and stop in the "Toronto area" and satisfy all conditions of the collection of statements above.

(Anonymous) 2025-04-25 05:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Summarising

The change in the metro area population is the sum of

* the balance of births and deaths
* the balance of international immigration and emigration
* the balance of domestic immigration and emigration

Only last is covered by the second statement

Furthermore it is not clear that the two statements apply to identical areas