[identity profile] glaurung-quena.livejournal.com 2014-05-17 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
Lost in Space featured far better writing than 90% of the original SyFy material these days, sadly.

[identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com 2014-05-17 01:01 am (UTC)(link)
I'm figuring that is in fact the big twist. Of course it's been done several times, but that just makes it an SF idea with a legit pedigree.

[identity profile] bedii.livejournal.com 2014-05-17 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know...Ted Taylor was the one chosen to design the bombs. Based on his history that part would have been a lead-pipe cinch. The rest of it--well, as long as they avoided the giant-spring-looks-like-a-sperm interstellar version there was no Unobtanium in the design stuff I've seen. Now the test system NASA demanded before man-rating it? THAT would scare the shit out of anyone.

[identity profile] nelc.livejournal.com 2014-05-17 02:12 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sure they could explain the launch as an H-bomb test, perhaps of an exotic kind. Perhaps launch it over the Pacific during the day so that fewer people will witness the strangely regular flashes of light as it climbs to orbit.

[identity profile] graydon saunders (from livejournal.com) 2014-05-17 02:20 am (UTC)(link)
The ship supposedly has politics. If it has politics, rather than vicious arguments about risk management and consumables accounting and people taking showers that use more than 4 litres of water, it presumably has margin. Which means it's freaking vast.

So it's quite possible that it's got a crew of ten thousand or so, or more; they're building manufacturing capability for new technology as they get instructions transmitted to them. Probably also cursing their local indium shortage.

If was going to try to make that work as narrative I'd be talking about how someone came up with direct conversion, matter to energy, but the minimum scale is enormous and the exhaust is the sort of thing you'd normally associate with the spin poles of a black hole. No one can figure out how to use it on Earth, Cold Warriors determined to preserve the species managed to launch this one ship which was just everything and everyone packed really tightly, they grabbed a big hunk of nickel-iron for radiation shielding and something with volatiles to stack behind that and are pushing the whole big mass while they make stuff they're going to need at the destination. (That's still some millions of tonnes in launch mass, it's completely crazy as a thing to do, but it's something like an explanation.)

Of course then I have to explain why the exhaust isn't making the amateur astronomy press twice a week, but that's a fairly small conspiracy as these things go. (Or it's so far into the gamma you can't see it without an orbiting telescope?)

[identity profile] keithmm.livejournal.com 2014-05-17 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
...and then the big door opens and they see that painted on the outside is "VAULT 76", and then an old tape recorder starts up and a deep voice intones "War...war never changes."

[identity profile] keithmm.livejournal.com 2014-05-17 02:28 am (UTC)(link)
But if it's a hoaxed ship, the self-contained environmental system doesn't have to be self contained. Just rig up some black-box technobabble water and air treatment system that amazingly never breaks down and only has to have the filters replaced once a year. They just don't see that the pipes go into the black box and make a right turn to the water treatment plant and air vents on the surface.

Re: add to the mission

[identity profile] zibblsnrt.livejournal.com 2014-05-17 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
Well, obviously they kept the Soviets distracted with the fake moon landing.
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[personal profile] redbird 2014-05-17 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
Nitpick: Beta Centauri is an unrelated start 350 light-years from Earth. Alpha Centauri is a double star, but they're called α Centauri A and B.

OK, back to poking holes in Freeman Dyson's ad campaign for nuking the planet on the way out.

[identity profile] scott-sanford.livejournal.com 2014-05-17 03:10 am (UTC)(link)
We can say the drive flare emerges in a near-perfect collimated beam, so it's hard to spot from Earth...and when the Russians took a second look at the energy output and realized the Giant Death Laser it made they promptly shat a brick.

I notice the starship is supposed to have launched in 1963. Give the Russians a few months to freak out and organize a response...the project must have been insanely classified, only known to a few American politicians at the very top...obviously the Russian protest was lodged on December 22nd, 1963.

[identity profile] scott-sanford.livejournal.com 2014-05-17 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
That wasn't a novel plot twist in 1963...but this is the SyFy network; they could well be lifting story lines from fifty year old radio dramas.

[identity profile] scott-sanford.livejournal.com 2014-05-17 03:17 am (UTC)(link)
Actually, dragging in an Area 51 or Roswell reference might make it less implausible. "Yeah, we've got a star drive. It'll move fifty million tons through space and get it to another star in a few decades. Thing is, we've only got the one..."

[identity profile] scott-sanford.livejournal.com 2014-05-17 03:21 am (UTC)(link)
If it's got a life support system for hundreds of people, it's likely to have a truly vast number of pipes and valves and boxes and tubes and tanks... Stuff that doesn't break down can go un-messed-with and unnoticed pretty much forever.

The best place to hide a needle is in a stack of needles.

[identity profile] asyouknow-bob.livejournal.com 2014-05-17 03:37 am (UTC)(link)
Asbestos & lead everywhere, sure - - but it'd be totally worth it because they get to use NIXIE TUBES!

[identity profile] w. dow rieder (from livejournal.com) 2014-05-17 04:05 am (UTC)(link)
True. Implausible, but less implausible than the other possibilities. Not, I suspect, what the shows producers would want, though.

[identity profile] w. dow rieder (from livejournal.com) 2014-05-17 04:09 am (UTC)(link)
Aha! I knew the premise reminded me of something I'd read - Voyage from Yesteryear by James P. Hogan.

[identity profile] heron61.livejournal.com 2014-05-17 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
I strongly suspect that some mixture of wanting to make certain that the drive didn't blow up the ship or massively irradiate the crew with worry about the political implications of detonating dozens of nukes in orbit killed Project Orion. There's a non-zero chance that using Project Orion for a mission to Mars could have get of a nuclear war, especially after the SALT II treaty (1979), which prohibited orbital nukes.

[identity profile] chrysostom476.livejournal.com 2014-05-17 04:21 am (UTC)(link)
The "scenes from the next episode of Dhalgren" could just be scenes from the same episode.

[identity profile] maruad.livejournal.com 2014-05-17 04:22 am (UTC)(link)
10,000 people sold to aliens, without the colonist/human zoo critters knowledge, in exchange for alien technology?
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[identity profile] w. dow rieder (from livejournal.com) 2014-05-17 04:48 am (UTC)(link)
I was thinking more "Gosh, these humans are likely to blow up their planet and go extinct in the wild. If we want to preserve a viable population, we better act now. But let's put them in an environment that makes sense to them, so they don't freak."
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[identity profile] beamjockey.livejournal.com 2014-05-17 05:13 am (UTC)(link)
Already you have sealing. Where there is sealing, there might be sharks.

[identity profile] maruad.livejournal.com 2014-05-17 06:04 am (UTC)(link)
That works as well.

[identity profile] filkerdave.livejournal.com 2014-05-17 10:05 am (UTC)(link)
If it's a century long trip, they'd better have women. Also, a good supply of diapers.

[identity profile] filkerdave.livejournal.com 2014-05-17 10:06 am (UTC)(link)
Also, it's kind of hard to *secretly* use an Orion drive.

[identity profile] malada.livejournal.com 2014-05-17 11:21 am (UTC)(link)
At the bottom of the page:

Update: Syfy orders third Sharknado movie

Enough said.

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