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james_davis_nicoll ([personal profile] james_davis_nicoll) wrote2006-09-25 03:53 pm

Veronica vs Buffy: Mind vs Emotion?

That's a grossly simplified summary of this entry over on resolute's LJ. Go read it.

If I were David Brin, I would use this as a springboard to show how this mean Veronica = Civilization and all that is good, whereas Buffy = the shadowy menace of irrationality. Note that Veronica and her father's snoopiness clearly is a metaphor for the Transparent Society.
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[identity profile] alexx-kay.livejournal.com 2006-09-25 07:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Is this maybe just another genre thing? What regular character *hasn't* committed at least one felony?

Re: SPOILERS FOR SEASON TWO

[identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com 2006-09-25 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I guess Deputy Doofus doesn't show up often enough.

Let's run through the cast (courtesy of wikipedia):

SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS Both Seasons

Veronica Mars: Where to start?

Keith Mars: See above.

Wallace Fennel: Were any of the favours he did strictly speaking illegal? I guess stealing files is.

Logan Echolls: Assault, arson and so and so forth.

Eli “Weevil” Navarro: GTA, assault, arson, arguably murder.

Dick Casablancas: Rapist.

Don Lamb: Blackmailer.

Cindy “Mac” Mackenzie:

Stosh “Piz” Piznarski: Nothing so far but VM characters often save their felonies for after they first appear.

Parker Lee: See above.

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Former
Mallory Dent: Nothing that I can recall.

Duncan Kane: Murderer.

Cassidy "Beaver" Casablancas: Murderer.

* Jackie Cook (Tessa Thompson) (Season 2) — Romantic interest of Wallace and daughter of a famous baseball player.

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Recurring characters
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Family

Kendall Casablancas: conman.

Terrence Cook: Illegal gamblng.

Aaron Echolls: Murderer.

Lynn Echolls: Nothing that I can think of.

Trina Echolls: Credit card fraud?

Alicia Fennel: Nothing that I can think of.

Celeste Kane: Being Celeste isn't a felony but should be. She had to have been part of the cover-up in S1.

Jake Kane: Obstruction of justice.

Lilly Kane: I guess accessory to statutory rape isn't going to fly, is it? Do Americans imprison teens for underage sex yet?
Pretty minor stuff, like drinking age violations and maybe a little dope?

Lianne Mars: Theft

Leo D'Amato: Evidence tampering in a federal case.

Woody Goodman: Rape.

Abel Koontz: Obstruction of justice.

Cliff McCormack: You'd think Cliff would know the law well enough to stay within it.

Deputy Sacks: useless but nothing illegal I recall.

Vinnie Van Lowe: B&E, various invasions of privacy beyond what the law allows.

Clarence Wiedman: Murder, obstruction of justice.

Van Clemmons: Nothing illegal that I recall.

Vincent "Butters" Clemmons: Nothing that comes to mind.

Corny: Illicit drug user.

Hector Cortez: Well, I'm sure PCHers get to break a number of laws but do we see Hector in particular go farther than lame-ass assaults.

Tommy "Lucky" Dohanic: B&E, stalking.

Gia Goodman: Nothing that I can think of.

Hannah Griffith: Who?

Rebecca James: Nothing that I can think of.

Meg Manning: Nothing that I can think of.

Eduardo "Thumper" Orozco: Murder, violation of Disney's IP rights.

Madison Sinclair: The trip to the dentist thing, is it illegal given what it led to?

Felix Toombs: Aside from assault and implied GTA, nothing.

Troy Vandegraff: Pusher.

OK, what say we rent a Morris Minor to ship all the non-felons out of town, then build a wall around Neptune to keep everyone else in?
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[identity profile] alexx-kay.livejournal.com 2006-09-25 07:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Wallace: withholding evidence about a vehicular homocide, IIRC.

You didn't list anything for Mac, but I'm sure there was some illegal hacking at some point.

Kendall has at least skirted the line of prostitution. (Which is a dumb thing to criminalize, but it is illegal.)

Lynn Echolls: Suicide is actually illegal.

Alica Fennel: Maybe fraud, related to her marriage?

Corny: Also was part of the massively illegal evidence-tampering in the first episode (made the bong-bomb).

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[identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com 2006-09-25 07:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Wallace: withholding evidence about a vehicular homocide, IIRC.

The victim lived but was paralyzed.

Alica Fennel: Maybe fraud, related to her marriage?

Hmmm. Except you'd think Weidman would have noticed that.

Corny: Also was part of the massively illegal evidence-tampering in the first episode (made the bong-bomb).

Yeah, true.

Neptune really is a hive of scum and villainy, isn't it?
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[identity profile] alexx-kay.livejournal.com 2006-09-25 07:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Neptune really is a hive of scum and villainy, isn't it?

Like I said, I think it's just a genre thing. If you tell 20+ crime stories a year with (mostly) the same cast, most of them will end up doing a crime eventually.

It's the same principle by which most superheroes, at some point in their careers, go evil and/or come back from the dead.

Re: SPOILERS FOR SEASON TWO

(Anonymous) 2006-09-26 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
* Jackie Cook (Tessa Thompson) (Season 2) — Romantic interest of Wallace and daughter of a famous baseball player.

Are those really felonies?

Re: SPOILERS FOR SEASON TWO

[identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com 2006-09-26 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes. Women can either date Wallace or have a famous sports athelete father.