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james_davis_nicoll ([personal profile] james_davis_nicoll) wrote2012-04-24 11:25 am

Really?

"leftist SF critic James Nicoll"? Leftist?
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[identity profile] agent-mimi.livejournal.com 2012-04-25 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
And you seem to be leaping to conclusions with the 'trollbait'.

Just because you disagree with me doesn't mean I'm inherently wrong.

refugee50s didn't back off the violent language, he's still doing it, as Carlos has already pointed out.

I gather you have a history with Carlos and hate him. That's your thing and you're welcome to it. But don't you dare pull the "I've had it worse than you" card -- not on me, not on anyone you don't know. You rail about Carlos being personally insulting while never realizing that, perhaps, if you pull the "I've had it worse than you" on someone who doesn't deserve it, you're personally insulting them.

It's not just you who has had it bad. It's never just you.

Since we're oversharing anyway: Several years ago a lady on alt.religion.kibology named Darla got me an invite to Kingdom of Loathing. When I stopped playing it because I was taking care of my terminally ill mother, Darla attacked me by saying I had "betrayed" her, repeatedly stating that she was more important than my mother and inventing a host of lies to bolster her claim that I was mentally ill and had irreparably hurt her. All because I didn't log into KoL much anymore. This went on from 2004 until 2009, and may still be going on for all I know. I understand your anger more than you assume.

Yet if Darla was here mocking refugee50s, I would still agree with her. I would not automatically defend refugee50s because of some skewed "enemy of my enemy" ideal. I don't say this as automatic gainsaying. I say this because it's how I try to live my life.

How you deal with past hurts and injustices is your business and none of my concern. What is my concern is when someone immediately pulls the "you haven't had it rough like me" gambit, which is disrespectful and diminishes my entire life. What is my concern is when someone tries to diminish extreme violent rhetoric, racist screeds, and anti-woman hate by telling people who complain about it to shut up. If you want to be nice and give the benefit of the doubt, fine, but trying to silence others is way out of line.

[identity profile] mindstalk.livejournal.com 2012-04-25 04:49 am (UTC)(link)
But I never told you to shut up about complaining about violent rhetoric etc. There's a difference between complaining about bad or hateful ideas and endorsing the use of low personal insults.
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[identity profile] agent-mimi.livejournal.com 2012-04-25 06:03 am (UTC)(link)
I've thought about it and decided to delete my response. I genuinely apologize for responding this time. You probably get replies in email and I've wasted your time, which wasn't my intent.