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james_davis_nicoll ([personal profile] james_davis_nicoll) wrote2011-02-19 06:04 pm

Dear SF writers of the world

I hit my lifetime tolerance for heroic tales of children drafted into draconian, high mortality super-soldier programs justified as required for the greater good sometime around the end of the novel version of Ender's Game. Please adjust your story lines accordingly.

[identity profile] mme-hardy.livejournal.com 2011-02-19 10:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Only the children could be trusted to be ethics-free, because they had carefully been raised to be so. The grownups, although they were the one who tortured a generation of children, were just not willing to commit genocide. Making good ol' Ender the Suffering Saint who takes on the sins of the world.

[identity profile] moonlithoughts.livejournal.com 2011-02-19 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)
But they were willing to trick him into committing genocide, which is basically the same thing as committing it themselves, isn't it?

[identity profile] lederhosen.livejournal.com 2011-02-19 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Morally yes, psychologically no. If Milgram's work is anything to go by, people find it easier to do bad things when they don't have to see the consequences.

[identity profile] mme-hardy.livejournal.com 2011-02-19 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, while I'm not convinced about the Holocaust links, the book is very carefully stacked so that we feel sorry for Ender no matter what he does; in every situation where he does evil, there's somebody else (or the situation itself) to blame.

[identity profile] llennhoff.livejournal.com 2011-02-20 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
See Skylark 3, where the highly advanced Norlaminians jump out of the control station before Seaton uses the giant weapon they taught him to build to blow up a world full of intelligent beings. Seaton himself is unable to actually pull the firing lever, he stays in the control station but lets his 'barbarous' friend actually pull the lever.
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[personal profile] redbird 2011-02-20 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
And it never occurs to anyone in that book to look in prisons or mental hospitals for sociopaths.

(Anonymous) 2011-02-20 04:50 am (UTC)(link)
Prisons? Mental hospitals? Meh. Just go to usernet SF, politics and alt history discussions...

Bruce