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james_davis_nicoll ([personal profile] james_davis_nicoll) wrote2010-11-21 04:47 pm

Would it be so wrong

To try to convince people that Japanese SF novels tend to be shorter than Anglospheric SF novels because Japanese has fewer words than English? And a lot of Japanese consists of words borrowed from other languages.

I'm not certain there's a reasonable case to be made for cause and effect here.

[identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
People in North America (and probably elsewhere but NorAm is what I deal with most of the time) often believe insanely stupid, clearly incorrect things about people from Asia and people who appear to be from Asia. A reasonable case does not have to be made.


Re: I'm not certain there's a reasonable case to be made for cause and effect here.

[identity profile] nelc.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 05:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, right, I'm getting it now.

For example

[identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 05:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Gregory Benford:

"These two vast, ancient societies [China and India] withstood the centuries by keeping down innovation, so life was much the same from one millennium to the next. Centuries slid by with little to mark them beyond the feuding of maharajahs."

Re: I'm not certain there's a reasonable case to be made for cause and effect here.

[identity profile] refugee50s.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 08:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't help but to think that "People often believe insanely stupid, clearly incorrect things about other people from other societies" is probably just as accurate a statement. In fact, I suspect that believing one's culture to be uniquely stupid is as ignorant and arrogant in its way as thinking that one's culture is uniquely superior.

This Conan O'Brian ad seems relevant, although I can't pin down exactly why:


Somehow, it strikes me as simultaneously implying the cultural superiority of the Orient (India, yes?), while purveying the Tarzan myth that western white folk can beat quaint natives at their own game, except possibly bargaining.

(That said, I love this ad, particularly the shot of Conan at his loom.)

Re: I'm not certain there's a reasonable case to be made for cause and effect here.

[identity profile] james-nicoll.livejournal.com 2010-11-21 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I am not saying "People often believe insanely stupid, clearly incorrect things about other people from other societies" isn't generally true, just that I tend to deal with a specific version of it.

Really specific. The Anglospheric SFnal and to a lesser extent only because so much of it is set in secondary worlds with extremely limited cultural palates, not because of any inherent superiority of the writers involved Fantasy version.