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james_davis_nicoll ([personal profile] james_davis_nicoll) wrote2009-01-07 10:25 am

About Avatar: The Last Airbender

Over in soc.history.what-if, Doug M. says I have to point out that while the /world/ of Avatar is very Asian influenced (and in a charmingly syncretic way...love that Balinese monkey chant), the ethnicity of the characters is quite deliberately blurred. Ang has pale skin, brown eyes, and vaguely Caucasian features; Saka and Kitara have olive skin, vaguely Asian features, and blue eyes. Zuko and the other Fire Nation characters tend to look Northeast Asian, but their eyes are usually orange, red or gold. In fact, this was one of the fun aspects of the series; the various "tribes" were to some extent racially distinct, but in ways that didn't map to here-and-now ethnic groups.

I have not seen Avatar but the above makes me want to track it down. I don't see any particular reason why the particular constellations of associated features in humans in secondary worlds would occur as they do in our world [1] if the histories of the worlds are distinct (and assuming we're not talking about a world crafted by some Dull God too uncreative to avoid blatant ethnological plagiarism).



1: A special stabbity-stabbity to all those authors who have secondary worlds with nations and ethnicities unlike our world's except for the gypsies, who apparently spring up like mushrooms everywhere even in worlds where their historical roots do not exist.

[identity profile] roseembolism.livejournal.com 2009-01-07 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I have to admit that from seeing the initial pictures I was dismissive of Avatar as some Yu-Gi-Oh or Dragonball clone, until someone who's opinon I trust forced me to sit down and watch the first episode. And then I was hooked.

Avatar, is literally, not only one of the best animated fantasy series I've ever seen, it's one of the best fantasy series I've ever seen in any media. Not only is the world building and plotting excellent, the character design, personalities and development is top notch. The series goes from somewhat light-hearted in the beginning, and becomes more and more series as the stakes are raised and the characters mature- and yet there is still a large dose of humor. One sign of the care involved in the series is that early on I had several questions raised about the home of two of the characters...which were answered in grim detail in the third season. Avatar also has one of my favorite villains; one who not only considers himself the hero of the story, has an excellent motivation to be doing what he's doing, and also really WOULD be the hero, if he didn't keep making the "wrong" decisions for all the best reasons.

The bottom line is this is a well crafted product, which has stretched the notion of what an American animated series is capable of, just as much, if not more so than Batman: the Animated Series did back in its day.

So my recommendation? Go on Amazon, and just grab the first season collection. It's well worth the price.

[identity profile] thomasyan.livejournal.com 2009-01-07 06:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I dismissed the show based on the title. Airbender? What kind of a silly word is that? (I also completely dismissed TiVo recording The Big O for me. Yeah, I like TV aimed at women, but a title like that makes me dubious. Then, I noticed it was on Cartoon Network not Lifetime/Oxygen/WE. So I sampled an episode and initially dismissed it for another reason. Me, have kneejerk reactions? Impossible!)

[identity profile] ross-teneyck.livejournal.com 2009-01-07 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
This.

My only caveat is that it is still a kids' show on some level, so even though it pushes the seriousness boundary of American kids' programming much farther than it usually goes, it still glosses over some things that wouldn't be glossed over if they had made the same show intended for an entirely adult audience. There's nothing wrong with that, of course; but the fact that it was more adult than most kid-oriented programming sometimes gave me expectations that were not fulfilled.

But it really is a good show.

[identity profile] roseembolism.livejournal.com 2009-01-08 05:20 am (UTC)(link)
There is that. American kidvid is amazingly skittish about even mentioning the words "kill" or "dead", so it was interesting to see the different ways they managed to imply the terms

[identity profile] schizmatic.livejournal.com 2009-01-08 03:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Out of curiosity, what expectations are those? I mean there's some stuff that probably needed to happen, like members of the Dai Li swinging from lampposts of Bah Sing Se after everything was over, but on the whole, I think that it more or less had the necessary level of violence for a decent story. I, for one, am perfectly happy that when Zuko and Socca infiltrated the Fire Nation Prison there was no explicit mention of folks getting cornholed.

[identity profile] ross-teneyck.livejournal.com 2009-01-08 05:03 pm (UTC)(link)
It is true that for a show about a full-scale world-wide war death happens with surprising rarity. But I was actually thinking of things like: the world is improbably small and they travel about it at the Speed of Plot, the politics are unrealistically simplistic, trained soldiers are routinely defeated by a handful of teenagers, and so on.

Now, as I said, I am not criticizing the show here; these are all perfectly valid decisions depending on the kind of story you want to tell. But because Avatar pushed the boundaries of "kidvid" so strongly in other ways, for metatextual reasons I developed a false expectation that it was going strive for a more realistic tone -- if that's the appropriate word for a show where many people have magic powers -- than in fact they were interested in going for.

[identity profile] keithmm.livejournal.com 2009-01-08 01:15 am (UTC)(link)
Avatar also has one of my favorite villains; one who not only considers himself the hero of the story, has an excellent motivation to be doing what he's doing, and also really WOULD be the hero, if he didn't keep making the "wrong" decisions for all the best reasons.

TVTropes created the category "Anti-Villain" specifically with him as the example.