james_davis_nicoll | About Avatar: The Last Airbender

Over in soc.history.what-if, Doug M. says I have to point out that while the /world/ of Avatar is very Asian influenced (and in a charmingly syncretic way...love that Balinese monkey chant), the ethnicity of the characters is quite deliberately blurred. Ang has pale skin, brown eyes, and vaguely Caucasian features; Saka and Kitara have olive skin, vaguely Asian features, and blue eyes. Zuko and the other Fire Nation characters tend to look Northeast Asian, but their eyes are usually orange, red or gold. In fact, this was one of the fun aspects of the series; the various "tribes" were to some extent racially distinct, but in ways that didn't map to here-and-now ethnic groups.

I have not seen Avatar but the above makes me want to track it down. I don't see any particular reason why the particular constellations of associated features in humans in secondary worlds would occur as they do in our world [1] if the histories of the worlds are distinct (and assuming we're not talking about a world crafted by some Dull God too uncreative to avoid blatant ethnological plagiarism).

1: A special stabbity-stabbity to all those authors who have secondary worlds with nations and ethnicities unlike our world's except for the gypsies, who apparently spring up like mushrooms everywhere even in worlds where their historical roots do not exist.

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I love anime, despite being disappointed 90% of the time. There have been very few good productions, Vampire Hunter D, Appleseed and Ghost In The Shell [plus it's followups], being productions that I did like.

--H

I think A:TLA is an American show, not genuine imported anime.

You appear to be correct: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender

"Avatar: The Last Airbender (also known as Avatar: The Legend of Aang)[1] is an Emmy award-winning American animated television series that aired for three seasons on the Nickelodeon television network and on Nicktoons Network. The show is set in an Asian-influenced world[2] of martial arts and elemental manipulation; the series follows the adventures of the main protagonist Aang and his friends, who must save the world by defeating the Fire Lord and ending the destructive war with the Fire Nation.[3][4] In the series' terminology, each episode is referred to as a "chapter," and each season as a "book."

The show made its debut on February 21, 2005, and the last episodes were screened on July 19, 2008; it is now available on DVD, the iTunes Store, and the Xbox Live Marketplace, as well as its home on Nickelodeon.[5] Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko co-created the series, and serve as executive producers alongside Aaron Ehasz.

Avatar: The Last Airbender was popular with both audiences and critics,[6] garnering 5.6 million viewers on its best-rated showing and receiving high ratings in the Nicktoons lineup, even outside its 6–11-year-old demographic.[4][7] The first series' success prompted Nickelodeon to order second[8] and third[9] seasons. Merchandise based on the series include scaled action figures,[10] a trading card game,[11][12] three video games based on the first,[13] second,[14][15] and third seasons, stuffed animals distributed by Paramount Parks, and two LEGO sets.[16]"

--H

Yes, though anime-influenced.

Avatar is not anime (Japanese animation). It is obviously influenced by anime, but it was created by a pair of Americans (with most of the actual animation being done in Korea). It was made directly for Nickelodeon.

Well, that's an interesting question - is a show made with the anime style and conventions, but not actually made in Japan, not anime? If a Japanese animator made a 100% homage to Disney or Warner Bros, never stepping outside the Western tradition, would that be anime?

As I understand it, "anime" is the Japanese word for "cartoons" (and for that matter, "manga" is the word for comics of all sorts). So I would say that looking at your hypothetical animator's Disney homage, a Japanese person would say "anime."

Then again, that same person would say "anime" for Disney and WB products as well.

Is a sparkling wine made with the correct grapes in the traditional way champagne even if it isn't made in France?

No, it's Champanoise (IIRR the spelling).

I suspect that the definitions of 'anime' and 'manga' are not so region-specific.

methode champagnoise. Except apparently in Europe, where it has to be called other things. In Czech Repuiblic apparently it is called Sekt (accordign to my kid who is living there).

Germans also use Sekt, but not specifically for méthode champenoise
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparkling_wine#Sekt

But yes, AIUI it's now covered by one of the Protected Food Names schemes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9thode_champenoise#Traditional_method

Even worse, "Methode traditionelle".

"Methode Champenoise" is verboten because it sounds too much like "Champagne".

That was me.

Mangadian?

Doug M.

It is an interesting question. I can't think of any American cartoons that use a lot of anime conventions, but there are American manga that are homages to Japanese manga (major difference is which direction to read from).

The animated Teen Titans deliberately borrowed a number of anime-style visual gags, to mixed effect.

Are you kidding? That's pretty much all that's been on for the last few years.

Just off the top of my head, aside from Avatar and the mentioned Teen Titans (which went so far as to have a J-Pop title theme), and counting series that are explicitly North American in writing (even if they are animated in Japan or Korea)

Transformers Animated
Powerpuff Girls
Xiolin Showdown
Super Robot Monkey Team Hyperforce Go!
Dexter's Lab
Chaotic
Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi
Megas XLR

And that doesn't count European shows like Code Lyoko, W.I.T.C.H., Totally Spies, or CG series like Skyland.

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