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james_davis_nicoll ([personal profile] james_davis_nicoll) wrote2022-06-24 10:47 am

Well, it's official

American women are now legally livestock. I wonder how long it will take before their access to passports and foreign travel is removed.
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[personal profile] graydon 2022-06-24 04:10 pm (UTC)(link)

Not really an option; the religious authoritarian fossil carbon money is global, and really persistent.

(Note that it's why we had Harper.) No power structure able to make them stop doing what they're doing is to be tolerated.

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[personal profile] dwight_benjamin_thieme 2022-06-25 06:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Note also that fossil carbon money is above all based on an extractive economic model; tacking on religous and authoritarian modifiers is redundant.
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[personal profile] graydon 2022-06-25 10:31 pm (UTC)(link)

There's a difference between a mammonite and a dominionist.

Not a major structural difference, but I think relevant in operational terms.

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[personal profile] dwight_benjamin_thieme 2022-06-28 05:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Can you give a few examples of those extractive states which don't have both?
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[personal profile] graydon 2022-06-28 07:07 pm (UTC)(link)

Not have both? Challenging.

Not have both making decisions? Iceland and Finland seem like possibilities. Both have significant extractive industries. (Though "extractive" and "petrostate" may be getting conflated here.)

Ontario has a doctrinaire mammonite premier; he's not a dominionist. (Dominionist back-benchers are a thing.) So it's possible to attack Dougie for not being sufficiently mammonite (the surprisingly labour-friendly removal of anti-competitive clauses under his government, for example) but not for being insufficiently pious. (People would laugh.) (Whereas we do see dominionist US politicians being attacked for insufficient piety and this having political consequence.)

Both are flavours of denying facts; they're not that far apart in some senses. But the social constructions and thereby the appropriate tactics with which to oppose them do differ.