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Feb. 6th, 2017 01:20 pm
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Do I number this obscure SF series by publication order or by internal chronology?
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Date: 2017-02-07 01:24 am (UTC)
graydon: (Default)
From: [personal profile] graydon
Decreasing order of page count.

Date: 2017-02-08 05:53 pm (UTC)
thewayne: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thewayne
Page count divided by ISBN.

Date: 2017-02-07 03:43 am (UTC)
voidampersand: (Default)
From: [personal profile] voidampersand
By color, of course.

Date: 2017-02-08 05:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thewayne
I have this problem with both Lois McMasters Bujold and David Weber. You can sort Weber's Honorverse multiple series in to different series, and that takes care of that, but you really need to read them in publication order to follow the history. And now we have Zahn's series which predates the earliest Weber. *sigh*

Bujold writes whatever Vorkosigan story strikes her fancy, wherever it fits in her arc, and I'm fine with that and will gobble up whatever she produces. Her latest, Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen, is definitely the latest in the series, but some of the prior books were not so linearly slotted.

Date: 2017-02-12 06:39 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bibliofile
Did you decide?

Also, the series' internal chronology or one of your own?

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Date: 2017-02-06 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chrysostom476.livejournal.com
ALWAYS publication order.

Date: 2017-02-06 06:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jazzfish
Cosigned.

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Date: 2017-02-06 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"Wardrobe before Magician's Nephew, or Fight!"

Date: 2017-02-06 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agharta75.livejournal.com
"Galactic Patrol is first!"

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Date: 2017-02-06 07:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malnpudl.livejournal.com
As a reader, I only care about internal chronology. But that may not be the proper method.

Date: 2017-02-06 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] austin-dern.livejournal.com
It's being Puckish to describe Foundation as obscure.

Date: 2017-02-06 08:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhetley.livejournal.com
Publication order. Internal chronology precludes interpolated stories published later.

Date: 2017-02-06 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agharta75.livejournal.com
If you go with "internal chronology" you get ... Jar Jar!

Date: 2017-02-06 09:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rpresser.livejournal.com
I think publication order; I think most of your readers will agree and also say publication order; and I note that the sole dissenter here on LJ also says that it's possible he's wrong. Stay with publication order.

Date: 2017-02-06 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rpresser.livejournal.com
Publication order (going by first publication) is always unambiguous. Some series have volumes that overlap in internal chronology, or worse. Consider Dragaera (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Brust#Dragaera). Parts of Dragon are before Yendi; other parts are after.

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Date: 2017-02-06 09:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] martianmooncrab.livejournal.com
I prefer story continuity order..

Date: 2017-02-06 10:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dagibbs.livejournal.com
Both. Each volume should have two numbers, one in each scheme.

Or, if that's too much, in recommended reading order.

Date: 2017-02-06 11:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] beamjockey.livejournal.com
Both. Each volume should have two numbers, one in each scheme.

Then each book would become a vector.

And this idea could be extended to N dimensions. See my previous remarks on a related topic.

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Date: 2017-02-06 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keithmm.livejournal.com
While I'm tempted to say internal order, publication order if for nothing else than if it's a longer series there's always the distinct possibility there are retcons or additions to the internal history, if you read in internal order, can result in things seeming odd.

My go-to example at this point is Weber and the Harrington series. One of the later short stories was set right before the first published novel, yet there was no mention of the events from that short story in the novel or subsequent ones. Given that the events consisted of Harrington committing a fairly significant diplomatic incident and collaborating with a widely-known terrorist group in doing so, you'd think that all the times her enemies tried to sink her career later that someone would have brought it up. And then there's the whole third-gen prolong problem and its Unfortunate Implications.

Date: 2017-02-06 11:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glaurung-quena.livejournal.com
For ordering on the shelf or in your ebook library, publication order.

For talking about the order in which they should be read, dramatic order, which is sometimes publication order and sometimes chronological order (eg, prequels that spoil the original stories should be read after, but prequels that enhance subsequent reading of the originals should be read first).

Date: 2017-02-07 12:10 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bolindbergh
Bad Compromise Order, in which the works are sorted by the average of their positions in each competing order. For example, the BCO for Narnia is LWW, PC, MN, VDT, HHB, SC, LB.

Date: 2017-02-07 06:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chrysostom476.livejournal.com
But this is madness.

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Date: 2017-02-07 12:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] seawasp
Whichever one annoys purists the most.

Date: 2017-02-07 11:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agharta75.livejournal.com
"Children of the Lens" first!

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Date: 2017-02-07 01:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melita66.livejournal.com
Alphabetical order, of course!


Bwah-hah-hah!!

Date: 2017-02-07 01:39 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kgbooklog.livejournal.com
We need to convince authors to write/publish their books in alphabetical order.

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Date: 2017-02-07 01:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bruce munro (from livejournal.com)
I would have said random encounters at used bookstores order, but there are so few of those nowadays... :(

Date: 2017-02-07 03:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
Spectral order by the color of the cover.

Date: 2017-02-07 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] narmitaj.livejournal.com
Taken from something I saw on Facebook, so this relevant image might not work:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154311631877688&set=a.325802892687.147551.511897687&type=3&theater

Date: 2017-02-07 03:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nathan helfinstine (from livejournal.com)
Mass, by the edition you have to hand.

Date: 2017-02-07 04:03 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Counterargument:

"Dealing With Dragons" comes first in Wrede's Enchanted Forest Chronicles. "Talking to Dragons" comes last.

Signed, my pre-teen self.

Date: 2017-02-07 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melita66.livejournal.com
Alphabetical order, of course!


Bwah-hah-hah!!

Date: 2017-02-07 01:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nelc.livejournal.com
Random order: throw all the books up in the air, then grab one as they pass by.

Date: 2017-02-07 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seth ellis (from livejournal.com)
To me, not reading them in publication order is like ripping a single volume apart so you can read the flashbacks first. Kind of defeats the purpose of the flashback.
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