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At this point, what would the budget for attending worldcon look like?

Date: 2019-04-06 02:01 am (UTC)
rezendi: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rezendi
Flights look like they're about C$700 YYZ<>DUB return around then.

Date: 2019-04-06 07:22 am (UTC)
dsrtao: dsr as a LEGO minifig (Default)
From: [personal profile] dsrtao
An attending membership is 235 Euros; a supporting membership can be upgraded.

Hotel is going to be big: 180-300 Euros/night for 4-7 nights. None of the hotels are actually part of the convention center.

Food.

Overall, I would guess the total budget needed to be on the order of $2500, pick your favorite currency units.

Date: 2019-04-06 01:29 pm (UTC)
mindstalk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mindstalk
You can find much cheaper rooms on Airbnb for Aug 15-20, down to US$60/night. Of course then you probably have to take transit to the con.

US $600 flight + 263 membership + 65*5 Airbnb = US$1188, *1.34 = CAN$1592. Airbnb usually means kitchen with fridge, so you could keep food under $10/day if you're making your own sandwiches.

Date: 2019-04-06 03:10 pm (UTC)
petrea_mitchell: (Default)
From: [personal profile] petrea_mitchell
Watch out with those Airbnb rooms. Dublin is cracking down on them and similar services as of June. I've now seen two waves of people suddenly learning about this as their reservations are cancelled.

Date: 2019-04-06 04:17 pm (UTC)
mindstalk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mindstalk
Really? And here I'd been thinking about visiting Ireland soon. Guess I'll pick some other country that actually wants visitors.

Date: 2019-04-06 11:14 pm (UTC)
snippy: Lego me holding book (Default)
From: [personal profile] snippy
Places want visitors, they just don't want affordable rental stock for residents removed from the market so it can accommodate visitors. And they want what is allowed to pay appropriate taxes.

Date: 2019-04-07 06:32 pm (UTC)
mindstalk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mindstalk
Taxes don't explain $60 vs. $180 a night, and Airbnb will collect taxes; it just did so on a Philadelphia place I booked.

Date: 2019-04-07 11:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rwpikul
Airbnb only collects some of the taxes that would apply to a hotel. They have quite a few listings for units where such short-term rental is prohibited, (either by law or in a rental/condo agreement).

Surprisingly, not only do cities have issues with residential units being tied up in a non-stop series of short-term rentals, the permanent residents and owners of buildings tend not to like such de facto hotel rooms popping up in their buildings.

Date: 2019-04-08 04:16 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kithrup
The insurance for a hotel is also completely different than for a private residence.

Things are always a lot more complicated than people want to think.

Date: 2019-04-07 01:45 am (UTC)
petrea_mitchell: (Default)
From: [personal profile] petrea_mitchell
As Snippy says, it's about the loss of rental properties. Homesharing hasn't been banned outright; the laws are aimed at people using their non-primary properties as ghost hotels.

Date: 2019-04-07 06:44 pm (UTC)
mindstalk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mindstalk
Primary homes only, for no more than 90 days a year, is pretty close to a ban; 14 day limit also rules out a lot of my personal use of Airbnb.

The article says hundreds of properties "in Dublin and other cities" have been removed; Dublin's population is over 500,000 people.

From other articles, seems like an outright lack of supply is the core problem, whether due to government obstruction or the economic crash earlier in the decade.
Edited Date: 2019-04-07 06:45 pm (UTC)

Date: 2019-04-07 09:52 pm (UTC)
petrea_mitchell: (Default)
From: [personal profile] petrea_mitchell
Primary homes only, for no more than 90 days a year, is pretty close to a ban


Wasn't "homesharing" supposed to be people renting out the actual homes that they live in on the rare occasions they were away, anyway? Or has Airbnb finally dropped the act and admitted flat-out that it's attempting to operate an unregulated hotel franchise?

Date: 2019-04-10 02:40 am (UTC)
mindstalk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mindstalk
It could be "share while away", it could also be someone renting out a spare room in their house or apartment. My experience with private Airbnb places has far more often been the latter -- of course, I usually only go for private rooms, not whole places.

> it's attempting to operate an unregulated hotel franchise?

It's providing a cheaper and superior product, making it easier for people without tons of money to travel.

Lots of -- not all -- regulations are just protectionism and rent-seeking. I don't weep for the hotel or taxi industries.

Date: 2019-04-07 02:30 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kithrup
Remember we’ll cover at least part of your flight costs. I would ask locals about hotels or other ways to stay — the biggest issue will be getting to the con from wherever you are staying.

Date: 2019-04-07 09:21 am (UTC)
scott_sanford: (Default)
From: [personal profile] scott_sanford
Quickly checking the list of bids:

2020 is in New Zealand, which is even less convenient to Canada than Ireland.

The bid for 2021 is in Washington DC - but nobody knows what the political situation in the US is going to be like and visiting the US could be messy. Hopefully not as messy as Europeans visiting the UK right now, but we can't know. If all is well, 800km isn't too bad.

Chicago is bidding for 2022, same potential political problems.

There's a hoax bid for Saskatoon in 2067, but who wants to wait that long?

Date: 2019-04-08 01:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hrj
When I visited Dublin during my wanderings after the Helsinki Worldcon, I stayed in a very cheap hostel-style room on the Trinity College campus (found via Hotels.com). I don't know whether this option is on the radar of Worldcon goers, but you might check it out.

Date: 2019-04-08 02:27 am (UTC)
nelc: (Default)
From: [personal profile] nelc
Well, if you doss at the big hotels closest to the convention, of course they're going to be expensive. If all you need is a place to sleep, shower and shave, there are quite acceptable accommodations a walk or a bus ride away. August is a good month for unoccupied student halls of residence, for less than 60 euros a night, for example. Or youth hostels for the really impecunious (I've used both). So maybe ~$1200 budget, plus food and buses and swag.

Date: 2019-04-08 10:11 am (UTC)
autopope: Me, myself, and I (Default)
From: [personal profile] autopope
I booked my (and Feorag's) hotel from the list of worldcon-associated hotels but went via the hotel website without trying to sign up via the convention. Cost about 10-15% less that way.

(Normally for a recurring con this is a bad thing insofar as it damages the hotel/con relationship: but worldcons are a once-a-decade happening at best, there's never been one in Dublin before, and in any event every worldcon org is different; chances of anyone in the hospitality trade remembering Worldcon 2019 circa 2030 is just about zero.)

I paid in advance in full, and happily, because Brexit: if Sterling tanks next week, the exchange rate is locked in. I realize this may not work so well for Canadians …

One other footnote: Dublin is an overheated property market right now, and has been for most of the past two decades. The centre is especially expensive. However, the conference centre is on the Luas (Dublin's shiny newish tram system). You may be able to find accommodation that costs less if you're willing to ride the Luas to/from the site—or the commuter rail system from out of town, then change onto the Luas at the main station.
Edited Date: 2019-04-08 10:14 am (UTC)

Date: 2019-04-08 04:57 pm (UTC)
petrea_mitchell: (Default)
From: [personal profile] petrea_mitchell
It's still worth alerting the convention that you were able to book a cheaper rate directly. A con needs to get credit for every member staying at the hotels to make sure it doesn't hit penalties for not filling its room block. And con hotel contracts usually say that hotels must be offering the members rooms at a lower rate than any otherwise available to the general public.

Date: 2019-04-09 06:20 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kithrup
Also, tourists can get a super-cheap pass valid for 2 weeks.

Date: 2019-04-06 07:53 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] martianmooncrab
and on the subject of hotels, if you book through the convention, you have to pay for the hotel up front now, not when you check out.

Date: 2019-04-06 05:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thewayne
I have heard of air freight companies that have 747s with a partitioned off section with like a dozen rows of seats that provide very affordable trans-Atlantic runs. I had some cousins fly to Scotland for a wedding, somehow they had to spend a couple of days in Denmark because of the cheap fare, but it was a surprisingly cheap fare.

Unfortunately I have no names.

Date: 2019-04-07 02:38 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kithrup
Gale says: figure out if you want to go, and work backwards from there. She has lots of points with the Intercontinental, and says that AirBNB is probably the best, affordable way to go in Dublin. Answer the email I sent you about this :).

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