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of that SF novel where it turned out mass murder was the solution?


Date: 2019-02-10 12:06 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
James White's UNDERKILL does this.

It is the aliens' solution to Earth's ecological situation. We aren't consulted. We don't get to stop it.

Michael Moorcock's hero Corum cut a deal with the terribly powerful Lost Gods, according to a wiki (I dimly remember the book), to destroy the more evil gods in his universe, the Lords of Chaos. But they decided to wipe out the Lords of Law also. Oh, well.

Robert Carnegie


Date: 2019-02-10 02:49 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ba_munronoe
The Lords of Order could be dicks too if unconstrained, IIRC.

But evil Gods do prove something of a moral quandary: if you lock them up instead of killing them, then you have Sealed Evil in a Can, and you know some idiot is eventually going to let them out.

Hmm. Any fictional accounts of an Ancient Locked Away Evil that had undergone a change of heart during Its imprisonment and was no longer Evil when released?

Re: Sealed Evil

Date: 2019-02-10 03:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dragoness_e
Good question. One of Manly Wade Wellman's Silver John stories, "Nine Yards of Other Cloth", introduces the lovely Evadare, who eventually becomes John's wife. She's hiding out from an evil man (her former employer, one Shull Cobart, a sexual predator who doesn't take 'No' for an answer) in a hollow (deep, dark valley) supposedly haunted by a demonic monster. Per legend, an old-time preacher once came to the hollow to deal with the monster, and his grave is in the hollow. Long story short: evil asshole Shull catches up with Evadare just after John meets her, and uses his enchanted fiddle (yes, Shull's a fiddle player too) to spellbind John and call the monster to devour him. No one but Evadare had gotten the news that the monster wasn't evil anymore and was protecting Evadare. Oops for the bad guy. Turned out that old-timey preacher had converted the whatever-the-hell-it-was by preaching to it (and taught it to read and write), and stayed in the hollow as its friend, because it was very lonely. When he died of old age, the monster buried the preacher, hence the grave.

That's the closest I know of, and the monster didn't seem to be constrained, it just.. stayed in the hollow. Locking sentient beings up tends to make them more grouchy, not less.
Edited Date: 2019-02-10 03:58 am (UTC)

Re: Sealed Evil

Date: 2019-02-10 04:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] philrm
That's probably my favorite Silver John story.

Re: Sealed Evil

Date: 2019-02-10 01:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dragoness_e
Mine, too.


Date: 2019-02-10 02:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jreynolds197
One recent example is on Sam Sykes's twitter regarding the motivations of D&D liches. One of his examples:

adventurers breakin into a Lich's tomb after being lost in the dungeon for a month
they discover the Scrying Orb he was using to magically watch their every move next to it is the fanfic the Lich wrote about them


Date: 2019-02-10 08:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kgbooklog
I just finished a book that sort of fits. ROT-13 because it was published last month.
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Date: 2019-02-10 11:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mindstalk
> Hmm. Any fictional accounts of an Ancient Locked Away Evil that had undergone a change of heart during Its imprisonment and was no longer Evil when released?

Closest I can think of is Illyria on "Angel", but her improvements came after being released, not from a change of heart during her "eternal lie".

Prison and reformation?

Date: 2019-02-11 09:35 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The Arabian Nights - almost, anyway.

(Spoilers - )

Except that the imprisoned jinni went from thinking how to reward someone who released it, to thinking how to kill them.

Before it could do so, the fisherman gets the jinni back in the bottle and tells him this story:
(don't be ungrateful) after which they make a deal. So the second episode of imprisonment "worked".

Wikipedia doesn't mention an earlier example, but one or more spaceship AIs in "Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda" have similar issues when they are left either immobilised or sensory-deprived for a long time. I don't remember if the earlier example is acknowledged.

And there's an episode in Roger Zelazny's "Lord of Light", numbered "4." in Wikipedia's description, but it doesn't go quite so well. Spoiler-ish: the demon Taraka is still a jerk in episode "7."

Robert Carnegie


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