Date: 2018-10-28 03:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jreynolds197 for the higher-class Mayan” — he made a gesture of something disappearing — “Poof! Nobody knows for sure what became of them.

Ugh. The Mayans are still alive in Guatemala & elsewhere. One thing he got right: they're still under attack by mighty whitey & his enablers.

Date: 2018-10-30 12:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] butsuri
Not that it comes across any more likeably, but the line before your excerpt does actually acknowledge that the Maya are still around:
A few ignorant peons were probably left. Even those survive to this day.

Date: 2018-10-28 03:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kedamono
Sadly, this was written by a man who thought that the Mayans were long gone, vanished. What he didn't realize was that the Mayans simply gave up on the idea of God-kings and large ceremonial cities and still speak "the tongue of the ancient Maya".

Beyond all that, Doc demonstrates all the traits of many superheroes. He never kills his foe, he lets them do themselves in. He's hyper competent, if not scary competent and prepared. Hmm, a non-powered, wealthy vigilante out fighting for justice... With both parents dead... Doesn't ring a bell...

Date: 2018-10-28 03:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dsrtao
The evildoers would be forewarned if Our Hero rang the bell! So he comes in through the window.

Date: 2018-10-29 02:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jbwoodford
He never kills his foe, he lets them do themselves in.

Or, if they survive, lobotomizes them corrects their deviant brains via surgery.

Date: 2018-10-29 07:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kedamono
And if I remember correctly, that bit him in the butt at least once... Of course that was in the 20's and 30's, lobotomies were common place in many mental institutions.

Date: 2018-10-29 09:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jbwoodford
IIRC, it was a plot point in a DC Doc Savage limited series.

Date: 2018-10-31 03:06 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] agharta75
And his first name is Clark.

Date: 2018-10-28 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] maruad
These books helped bridge the gap between The Hardy Boys and SFF for me during my formative years. I was oblivious of any racial, cultural or gender bias at that time. I didn't really understand the racism directed towards others. They were just adventure books where the good guys won.

Date: 2018-10-29 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ba_munronoe
The Avenger has allies, Doc Savage has sidekicks?

Date: 2018-10-29 04:29 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kithrup
That's a great way to phrase it :).

Date: 2018-10-31 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Doc's sidekicks are each the number two man in the world in their field. Doc, of course, is number one.

Date: 2018-10-29 02:59 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ba_munronoe
Captain Future (one installation of which you covered back in May) was referred by Someone on the Net as "Doc Savage in Space", and Edmond Hamilton did seem to have stolen quite a few elements from Lester Dent, including the feuding between two of Doc's companions, right down to the competitive use of pets, although I don't recall Monk's pet pig eating his way through an otherwise inescapable cage at any point.

Date: 2018-10-29 04:28 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kithrup
My only experience with this is the Ron Ely film version. Which even as a lad I realized was horribly campy.

I much preferred Buckaroo Banzai.

Date: 2018-10-29 02:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jbwoodford
I would be hard pressed to imagine Doc Savage playing jazz trumpet.

Date: 2018-10-29 08:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kedamono
I love the James Bama covers, as they would not have flown when Doc was first published. Here's the original cover for the first issue of the Doc Savage magazine, by the epic pulp cover artist, Walter Baumhofer. Not even a wee bit similar. The Bama Doc Savage looks more like what a villain would look like in the 30's, than a hero. Baumhofer's Doc is more in keeping with the hero vibe of the time.

Date: 2018-10-30 12:05 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ba_munronoe
Tousle-haired pretty boy with five o'clock shadow? Kinda 1980s television.

I always thought the Bama covers made Doc look a bit old, honestly. Like he'd been doing the heroing thing for quite a while (more appropriate after a hundred or so installments than right at the start).

Date: 2018-10-30 01:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kedamono
I was always amazed at the photorealism of Bama's covers. The early covers were great, but as the series rolled on in reprints, they had to switch artists, but they all kept the Bama vibe.

As for that tousled haired youth confronting "Ancient Mayans", he's very similar to other covers from that era. Right down to the five o'clock shadow. (I never imagined the Bama Doc ever shaving... Clean cut through superior genetics.)

Date: 2018-10-30 02:25 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ba_munronoe
Yes, he was an impressively skilled artist.

I'm not denying the prevalence of the look. Just that type of heroic look is hardly exclusively a 30s thing, although it may have been dominant at the time.

Gotta say though, short hair makes rather more sense for a hero which often has to grapple close and personal with his foes.(And now I'm inwardly giggling at the notion of Doc Savage wincing as someone tugs on his flowing locks).

(Hairy chests: more of a 50s thing? )

Edited Date: 2018-10-30 02:26 am (UTC)

Date: 2018-10-31 03:20 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kedamono
Well, Baumhofer was fond of the freshly waxed chest:

Date: 2018-11-02 10:07 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] neowolf2
I enjoyed Aaron Allston's two Doc Sidhe books. A shame there will be no more of those.


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