Date: 2018-04-29 02:18 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] agharta75
I remember this one from elementary school days.

Surreal was the French, and Laurania the English Montrealers - right? But I don't remember the second underground community at all - invaders from That Place To The South?

Date: 2018-04-29 02:37 pm (UTC)
anne: (Default)
From: [personal profile] anne
I don't know enough to guess a specific group, but I bet they aren't white.

Date: 2018-04-29 02:50 pm (UTC)
anne: (Default)
From: [personal profile] anne
...oh no.

Date: 2018-04-29 04:14 pm (UTC)
radiantfracture: (Default)
From: [personal profile] radiantfracture
I was going to gush about loving this book as a kid and periodically hunting for it online, but now I'm just going to sit here quietly feeling queasy.

Date: 2018-04-29 04:38 pm (UTC)
anne: (Default)
From: [personal profile] anne
Yeah, it's now on the mental shelf with the Little House books.

Date: 2018-05-19 07:14 pm (UTC)
armiphlage: (Squee)
From: [personal profile] armiphlage
I am scared to ask - what did the Suck Fairy put into the Little House books?

Date: 2018-05-20 07:33 pm (UTC)
anne: (Default)
From: [personal profile] anne
Ma didn't like Native Americans at all.

Date: 2018-04-29 04:58 pm (UTC)
elusis: (Default)
From: [personal profile] elusis
Damn you Suck Fairy.

Date: 2018-04-29 07:12 pm (UTC)
heron61: (Default)
From: [personal profile] heron61
Yeah, me too. My first reaction was "Wow, that's what the name of this book I read when I was 7 or 8 was", then I read the comments - ugh.

Date: 2018-05-19 07:13 pm (UTC)
armiphlage: (Max)
From: [personal profile] armiphlage
Likewise

*shudders*

Date: 2018-05-01 11:29 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] agharta75
Oh, great Cthulhu. That's who they are.

Suck fairy, racism fairy, all kinds of fairies ...

Date: 2018-04-29 02:32 pm (UTC)
anne: (Default)
From: [personal profile] anne
I loved this in the 70s! I had no idea Montreal was real, of course. What a revelation when I eventually connected the dots.

Now I quibble with the linguistics. Sous-réal can't become Surréal, ever. But I'll handwave because it's a reasonably good pun.
Edited Date: 2018-04-29 02:50 pm (UTC)

Date: 2018-04-29 05:04 pm (UTC)
elusis: (Default)
From: [personal profile] elusis
Underground city, taboos against going out, [spoiler]ab bar unf ernyvmrq ubj gur fhesnpr unf punatrq... makes me think of Hugh Howey's "Wool" et al. Have you reviewed his first trilogy? I forget.

Date: 2018-04-30 12:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bolindbergh
"There's nothing but an uninhabitable wasteland outside!" turning out to be wrong is a fairly common plot element. The Polish film Sexmission comes to mind.

Date: 2018-04-30 02:22 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] naomikritzer
My favorite childhood book that followed this particular plotline was H.M. Hoover's "This Time of Darkness."

Date: 2018-04-30 02:23 am (UTC)
naomikritzer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] naomikritzer
(::Scrolls down one more comment:: OH HEY SHOULDA KEPT READING...)

Date: 2018-04-30 03:21 am (UTC)
elusis: (Default)
From: [personal profile] elusis
I *did* try to at least ROT-13 the spoiler.

Date: 2018-04-30 06:44 am (UTC)
brooksmoses: (Default)
From: [personal profile] brooksmoses
*You* did, yes. But James still put it in his review.

Date: 2018-05-01 12:07 am (UTC)
elusis: (Default)
From: [personal profile] elusis
About the Howey, I mean.

Date: 2018-05-01 04:01 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Are there any stories where our Brave Intrepid YA Heroes discover that there _really is_ an uninhabitable wasteland outside their underground home, and that the adults were right?

Date: 2018-05-01 07:40 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] agharta75
(above is mine)

Date: 2018-04-30 05:02 pm (UTC)
chrysostom: (Default)
From: [personal profile] chrysostom
Made me think of Silverberg's Time of the Great Freeze.

Date: 2018-04-29 08:47 pm (UTC)
jamoche: Prisoner's pennyfarthing bicycle: I am NaN (Default)
From: [personal profile] jamoche
At first I thought James had found a book that I'd read part of back around 1975. One of my grade school textbooks had opening chapters of books that weren't always in the library - horrible teases! But this underground city's excerpt ended with a boy and girl looking out the forbidden exit - one of them had discovered it and then brought the other along, so they were both city residents.

Date: 2018-04-29 09:11 pm (UTC)
jamoche: Prisoner's pennyfarthing bicycle: I am NaN (Default)
From: [personal profile] jamoche
1980 would be 5 years too late :)

Also it was one of those spotless sterile cities that are why the new Apple Park building reminds me of the 70's version of the future. City Under Ground sounds like a better match, but I'm very certain there was a girl resident doing the exploring because I was a girl and I noticed the rare female protagonists.

Date: 2018-04-30 01:01 am (UTC)
anne: (Default)
From: [personal profile] anne
I read that one too! But I don't have any idea what it was. I'm glad to know I didn't imagine it.

Date: 2018-05-02 08:44 am (UTC)
scott_sanford: (Default)
From: [personal profile] scott_sanford
...a boy and girl looking out the forbidden exit - one of them had discovered it and then brought the other along...

That's also a scene in one of Clarke's Diaspar novels (offhand I forget which). Authors may be compelled to write such things for city in a bottle settings.

Date: 2018-05-03 12:54 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
City of Ember by Jeanne DuPrau?

Weezie (James' friend from Brantford)

Date: 2018-04-30 10:44 pm (UTC)
dwight_benjamin_thieme: My daughter Ellen in her debut as Rusty from Footloose (Default)
From: [personal profile] dwight_benjamin_thieme
Like many others, I read an excerpt of this in -- IIRC -- The Third Galaxy Reader (I'd love to have all of them on my shelves some day. They were actually pretty good.) The thing that impressed me that most were their miner-helmet flashlights ... that were powered by 'thought-waves'. Isn't there a sub-genre wherein thought-wave power plays a supportive role? If nothing else, it sustainable green cred.

On Edit: Googling reveals that these were the Houghton Mifflin readers and that one volume was called Galaxies.
Edited Date: 2018-04-30 10:50 pm (UTC)

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