Date: 2017-09-24 05:33 pm (UTC)
glaurung_quena: (Default)
From: [personal profile] glaurung_quena
That seemed to be in English, but somehow I was not able to understand very much of it. Do all puppies require decoder rings nowadays?

What I was able to understand suggested that the author has a very... skewed view of the history of SF.

Atheism was not forced upon SF by a cabal of leftist editors, rather SF and atheism just naturally glommed onto each other, like two nerds in a ballroom full of jocks. Seriously though, if they are that offended by atheist authors, maybe SF is not the genre they should be reading.

Also, if they think Campbell was a horribly leftist SJW, boy howdy do they need their political spectrum recalibrated.

Date: 2017-09-24 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I wonder if the puppies ever read "Waldo" - you know, the one where the self-reliant super-engineer with no social skills decides he's much happier as a ballet dancer with friends?

Date: 2017-09-24 09:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] londonkds
I found Gygax's original "Appendix N" and... I am very surprised that the blogger seems to believe that many of those authors are compatible with Christian conservatism.

Date: 2017-09-24 10:17 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] martianmooncrab
that is so sad, its like when Lenny Bruce read parts of his trial transcripts at his performances, rather than doing the edgy comedy that got him there..

and I never thought about SFF writers as gatekeepers for Xianity... that blows my mind after all these years of reading it to get other viewpoints.

Date: 2017-09-25 11:02 am (UTC)
autopope: Me, myself, and I (Default)
From: [personal profile] autopope
I am *TOTALLY* a gatekeeper for Xtianity, and in other news, I have a bridge over the Hudson River I need to sell, going cheap ...

Date: 2017-09-25 04:41 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Gatekeepers don't necessarily need to open their gate...

Paul C.

Date: 2017-09-25 08:37 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] martianmooncrab
is it made of chocolate?

Date: 2017-09-24 11:21 pm (UTC)
dragoness_e: Living Dead Girl (Living Dead Girl)
From: [personal profile] dragoness_e
...just.. wow. What alternate universe did this guy wander in from? In my universe, which I presume is our shared consensual reality, SF has been mostly religion-free from the 1930s on. Sure, characters occasionally made Christian-conforming noises, but that's because some flavor of main-line Protestantism was the assumed default for the assumed straight, white, male characters. Oh, and pre-Campbell sci-fi was almost all trash. A lot of during- and post-Campbell sci-fi was trash. Sturgeon's Law applies; but even the 10% (assuming the annual "Best of Analog" collections represented that 10%) had some real clunkers.

Most sci-fi/fantasy written these days is far better written, not because the SJW bogey-men took over, but because the competition is fiercer and editors don't have to accept sub-par writing because that's all they're getting. Writers pay more attention to characters as well as world-building, and stale old tropes that make no damn sense (like White Foreigner Saves Lost Civilization in 3 Days By Doing What Natives Were Too Stupid To Do For The Last Ten Millenia) no longer sell.

Date: 2017-09-24 11:55 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
"What alternate universe did this guy wander in from?"

The one where Feric Jaggar is a great pulp hero?

Date: 2017-09-25 01:34 am (UTC)
mmcirvin: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mmcirvin
There's been some since then that had religious content, sometimes quite a lot... but it wasn't particularly orthodox. Unless it's SF written from within the Christian Fiction genre (that is, stories marked OK for consumption by evangelical Protestants who are forbidden almost anything else).

Date: 2017-09-25 12:53 pm (UTC)
dragoness_e: (Default)
From: [personal profile] dragoness_e
Two of my favorite scifi/fantasy authors wrote series that were heavily influenced by Catholic theology and/or were overtly religious, but it's rare indeed for "classic" SF. (JRR Tolkien and Julian May, if you're curious).

I grew up reading H. Beam Piper (overtly atheistic stories--religions were always just cults in which false prophets and fraudulent priests used deceit to control the sheeple), Robert Heinlein (highly critical of religion, to say the least), and Andre Norton (religion either non-existent or psionic mysticism that protagonist uses to save the day).

If by "Christian Fiction genre/SF", you're referring to "End Times" theological fantasies like Left Behind... ugh. I can't write that badly even when I'm writing giant robot slash fanfic.

Disclosure: I read and comment at the Slactivist blog.
Edited Date: 2017-09-25 12:59 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-09-25 02:36 pm (UTC)
ravenskyewalker: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ravenskyewalker
Madeleine L'Engle (who wrote A Wrinkle in Time and others) was influenced by Catholicism and other aspects of Christianity, but was fascinated by both religion and science. (She was also a universalist, and got in trouble both with stricter religious parties for having "wrong" beliefs and with secular parties for being "too" religious.)

Date: 2017-09-26 02:24 am (UTC)
dragoness_e: Pensive tabby tiger (Tabby Tiger)
From: [personal profile] dragoness_e
Right. I forgot about her, though she's not as big a favorite as May and Tolkien.

Date: 2017-10-02 06:25 am (UTC)
ethelmay: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ethelmay
She was Episcopalian, not Catholic, and said specifically that she wasn't a universalist:

Date: 2017-09-25 04:12 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
But May's theology, though starting with Catholicism, was a bit unorthodox as I recall (Teilhardian).

Date: 2017-09-26 02:23 am (UTC)
dragoness_e: Pensive tabby tiger (Tabby Tiger)
From: [personal profile] dragoness_e
That's what I like about it.

Date: 2017-09-26 11:35 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Me, too.

Date: 2017-09-25 05:08 am (UTC)
mindstalk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mindstalk
Asimove, Clarke, and Heinlein are so well known for their pro-Christian SF...

Date: 2017-09-25 07:12 am (UTC)
roseembolism: (Default)
From: [personal profile] roseembolism
Well,, Niemeier is known for a highly selective view ofwhat makes classic SF&F. Maybe he doesn't think Asimov, Clark and Heinlein are real SF&F writers.

Date: 2017-09-25 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] estrevan
I once read a rather odd essay by Gene Wolfe in which he tried quite hard, but without notable success, to imply Christian themes in The Dying Earth. I think he was trying for Chesterton-style "everything good is basically Catholic, and vice versa" but couldn't manage the lightness of touch.

Date: 2017-09-25 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Never heard of this guy before...


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