Date: 2017-09-19 12:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] viktor_haag
(repost from comment on FB):

The material is all in the "old style D&D" camp. It all has mature themes, and ranges a bit from the gonzo, to the really weird. The production values are uniformly good. Some of the material -- adventures, campaign material, and thoughts about how to run a good game -- is pretty peerless in the D&D end of the RPG pool.

Broodmother Skyfortress, Death Frost Doom, and Veins of the Earth make the bundle worthwhile; the rest are also good, but in a much narrower sense. The first three are exceptionally strong because they are, while in the thematically weird mode of all LotFP stuff, all still pretty accessible to gamers that only nudge up to that kind of thing in their regular game.

Broodmother and DFD are pretty solid exercises of the proposition that you can up-end and radically change your gaming world and have interesting, fun, results. Veins of the Earth focuses on making delving deep underground weird, alien, dangerous and not at all the same as the "endless basement" starting point that is most traditional dungeoneering.

I strongly recommend all of LotFP's catalog, but they do come with a thematic devotion to mature material -- body horror, dread, nihilism, not-Tolkien-based fantasy elements. If you really like the Warhammer RPG but thought it was a bit too kitschy and diluted, then the LotFP line is in that end of the pool without the training wheels that let the Warhammer publishers still shop minis to pre-teen kids.

Date: 2017-09-19 04:51 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] estrevan
Or you could take the view that the borrowings from Clark Ashton Smith don't really compensate for the general air of testosterone and sniggering, and that the "mature" artwork is awfully heavy on mutilated and/or monstrous women. Although, that having been said, I'll probably get my money's worth in touches of weirdness I can borrow for other games.

Date: 2017-09-19 09:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] viktor_haag
Those are fair points; the artwork choice varies book-to-book, but not as much as one would like. I haven't particularly noticed much of a general air of testosterone or sniggering, but that doesn't mean others might not notice it.

I've certainly made some adaptations to the LotFP material when I've deployed it on my gaming tables, but I haven't particularly remembered doing so any more than I might have done with most RPGs in the past.

As always, it's important for groups of gamers to know what will, and will not, be fun for them at their own tables.

Date: 2017-09-19 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] estrevan
That's all perfectly fair, and I should stress that I think LotFP is good at what it does, even if I don't like what it does very much.

I guess what I meant by "testosterone and sniggering" is that the old school feel and "edgy" content remind me too much of the bad games of D&D I associate with teenage boys. But I think perhaps I'm failing to appreciate it as camp.

(I also think I'm developing misgivings about the Old School Revival in general, but that needs further reading and a bit more thought.)

Date: 2017-09-20 12:38 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] viktor_haag
There is indeed a fair measure of puerility in old school revival things, just as there is anywhere; there's also a fair measure of very clever and inventive things. I don't react all that well to camp, and there's some in the LotFP line that leans heavily in that direction and other stuff that doesn't. At the end of the day, at my age, I just look for clever gaming things that seem to play well in the games I run and sometimes the LotFP stuff, in bits, chunks, or whole, works really well in my games.

LotFP (house ruled) is currently the system for one of my long standing gaming groups and I've drawn material for the game from LotFP's library, but also from old WFRP adventures, some Kobold Press stuff, and some Call/Trail of Cthulhu stuff. It's been pretty fun and rock solid so far.

I've also used some LotFP material with other rule sets (13th Age and Fifth Ed) and that's been mostly fun, too.

But pretty much anything that hits my table gets adapted for my own taste and what I feel is fun for my players and what isn't, and LotFP material is certainly no different there.


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