Date: 2017-05-25 03:33 pm (UTC)
mr_cellaneous: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mr_cellaneous
As an American, where everything is color-coded for your convenience, I have trouble keeping straight which party is which in Canada. Are any of the above aligned with the forces of evil?

Date: 2017-05-25 03:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nfpr2boziis
Many of my BC friends view the BC Liberals as being Evil. Note: due to various whackiness, provincial parties may or may not align with federal parties. Members of the BC Liberal party may belong to the federal Liberals, the Conservative Party of Canada, or neither.

Date: 2017-05-25 03:59 pm (UTC)
jazzfish: Malcolm Tucker with a cell phone, in a HOPE-style poster, caption NO YOU F****** CAN'T (Malcolm says No You F'ing Can't)
From: [personal profile] jazzfish
Due to an accident of history, the BC Liberal party is what's left of the BC Social Credit party (rabid right-wingers), and bears no relation to Justin Trudeau's squishy-centrist Federal Liberal party. This is a pretty good primer.

The part that's missing from that analysis is that the NDP (lefties who can't ever quite seem to get it together at either the federal or provincial level, Alberta notwithstanding) ran BC for a number of years, and had a number of problems which were loudly trumpeted as The Worst Thing Ever. They've been out of power for close to two decades but I've several lefty friends who refuse to vote for them because Fast Ferries, or various other pithily-named "scandals." Hence, the Green party's three seats.

Date: 2017-05-25 06:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] magedragonfire
Hah, and yet some of the same people who decried the ferries and casino business with Clark as the Worst Thing Ever shrugged their shoulders and looked the other way during DUIs, Quick Wins, and HST nonsense in the following Liberal governments.

...It's almost as if provincial politicians in BC are overwhelmingly driven to show their asses at any opportunity, hrm. Hopefully the forces of the minority will prevent some unnecessary full moons?

Date: 2017-05-27 12:31 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The NDP has got it together in the past. If Jack Layton hadn't died I suspect Federal politics would be very different. In Saskatchewan they formed the government 12 out of 21 times since 1934* and were the official opposition the other 9 times.


*Counting the CCF as NDP because that's what it became.

Date: 2017-05-25 04:05 pm (UTC)
magedragonfire: (Default)
From: [personal profile] magedragonfire
Yuuup. It's nice to know who we elected, finally.

I can smell some possible election reform in our future!

The really fun part is that, even though they currently hold the balance of power, the Greens are still not considered to be an official party in the province. They would've needed to pick up four seats for that, poor dears.
Edited Date: 2017-05-25 05:59 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-05-25 06:06 pm (UTC)
solarbird: (korra-excited)
From: [personal profile] solarbird
Hilarious, isn't it? Can you even have a coalition government with a not-official-party? XD

(yes, of course you can, but.)

Date: 2017-05-25 06:10 pm (UTC)
magedragonfire: (Default)
From: [personal profile] magedragonfire
Hahah. I suppose that, formally, it would be a coalition with a collection of independents that just happen to have overlapping goals...

Date: 2017-05-25 06:27 pm (UTC)
solarbird: (korra-smug)
From: [personal profile] solarbird
Of course. But it's still 'we have formed a coalition government with None Of The Above and are mortified, please stop making jokes about it and just be happy it's not the SoCreds again' XD

Date: 2017-05-25 11:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] slybrarian
If the Greens are smart and demand electoral reform in return for a coalition or support agreement, they better learn from the Liberal Democrats in the UK and get paid upfront.

Date: 2017-05-25 11:43 pm (UTC)
magedragonfire: (Default)
From: [personal profile] magedragonfire
One would hope they've been aware of that situation, yeah.

Date: 2017-05-25 04:32 pm (UTC)
onyxlynx: "love is better than anger, hope is better than fear, optimism is better than despair" -Jack Layton.  In orange "chalk." (Jack Layton quote)
From: [personal profile] onyxlynx
Ah. So...wooing of the Greens? Or Green power plays?

(Puts bag of popcorn in microwave, puts small amount of butter on to melt, fluffs pillows.)

Date: 2017-05-25 05:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thewayne
Yes, but did you have a front-runner assault a member of the press, as happened on election-eve last night in Montana?

Date: 2017-05-26 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] maruad
He still won so I guess it is okay in Montana.

I realize a large number of the ballots were cast in advance but I wonder if it would have been enough to change the votes for many of the voters.

Date: 2017-05-26 04:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thewayne

It will be interesting to see what the post-election analysis of the count looks like: did the early balloting put him over and would he have lost if everyone had voted on election day.  And will he be able to get re-elected!  That might be the bigger question.  Paul Ryan decried his behavior and said that there was nothing that he could do if he was elected except keep him off of the more prestigious committees, we shall see if he is true to his word. Frankly, I'm so disappointed in how the Republicans have moved party over country in such a blatant fashion.  I don't know that the Democrats have in quite so a contemptible way, but parts of their leadership seem to want to. I wonder if reporters will start wearing body cameras.

Date: 2017-05-26 10:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sethsellis
The actual story there is that Montana's lone congressional seat has been Republican for twenty years, and Trump took the state by twenty points, but six months later Gianforte only won by seven points. And that's with loads of early voting.

Plus the Democrats just picked up a Long Island seat in a district where Trump took 60%. The GOP is quietly trying not to freak out.

Edit: which means a) they might back off a bit from supporting Trump, but b) they'll certainly pick up the defensive, sometimes violent posturing against criticism. Fun times ahead.
Edited Date: 2017-05-26 10:10 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-05-25 05:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] agoodwinsmith
To really appreciate the ensuing jinks of high stature, bear in mind that the NDP/Green holdings are all (mostly) at the coast, while the Liberals are all (mostly) in the interior. The jobs are at the coast; the retirement is in the interior. Those who have retired can only think in jobs-as-logging, jobs-as-sawmills, jobs-as-trucking terms.

The one interior NPD riding is one that has been shat on by all reigning parties since the NPD left power.

Date: 2017-05-26 02:08 pm (UTC)
beamjockey: Bill Higgins portrait by Kurt Erichsen (Erichsen)
From: [personal profile] beamjockey
Update:

Q. In Montana, what do they call someone who assaults a member of the press?

A. "Congressman."

Date: 2017-05-26 06:10 pm (UTC)
agoodwinsmith: (Default)
From: [personal profile] agoodwinsmith
A bit dated, but

Q - What do you it call it when a sitting Prime Minster tries to throttle a reporter?

A - A Shawinigan Handshake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawinigan_Handshake

Date: 2017-05-29 10:58 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Bill Clennett was a protester, not a reporter, as the wiki link clearly states.

Date: 2017-05-25 10:51 pm (UTC)
mindstalk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mindstalk
How do the seat and vote percentages line up?

Date: 2017-05-25 11:41 pm (UTC)
magedragonfire: (Default)
From: [personal profile] magedragonfire
I believe that the final percentage of the vote by each party was:
Liberals 40.36%
NDP 40.28%
Greens 16.84%

So, if the election was done proportionally, you would've been looking at approximately 15 Greens, 36 Liberals, and 36 NDP MLAs.

Date: 2017-05-26 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] agharta75
Liberal/NDP coalition? (We can't have those Greens in power ... )

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