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What pre-1980 short works would you offer Young People?

Phase I covered

Who Goes There? By John W. Campbell, Jr. as Don A. Stuart (1938)

A Martian Odyssey by Stanley G. Weinbaum (1934)

1940s

Nightfall by Isaac Asimov 1941

Desertion by Clifford Simak 1944

With Folded Hands by Jack Williamson 1947

Vintage Season, C.L. Moore writing as Laurence O'Donnell (1948)

That Only a Mother by Judith Merril (1948)

1950s

Superiority Arthur C Clarke

All Summer in a Day by Ray Bradbury (1950)

The Snowball Effect

A Pail of Air by Fritz Leiber

Flowers for Algernon

The Menace from Earth

1960s

Baby, You Were Great

The Smiling Future

The Ballad of Lost C'Mell

A Rose For Ecclesiastes

The Rule of Names

1970s

When It Changed

View From a Height

Houston, Houston Do You Read?
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Date: 2017-05-03 12:43 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kithrup
2001, of course.

Or does it have to be short?

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Date: 2017-05-03 01:25 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rosefox
"One Ordinary Day, with Peanuts" by Shirley Jackson.

"Selectra Six-Ten" by Avram Davidson.

"The Little Black Bag" by C.M. Kornbluth.

"Mimsy Were the Borogoves" by Lewis Padgett.

"The New Atlantis" by Ursula K. Le Guin. (Online here.) If that counts as short.

"There Will Come Soft Rains" by Ray Bradbury.

I'm not in a very cheerful mood today, apparently.

Let me know when you move on to 1980–1989 because I have lots more suggestions.
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Date: 2017-05-03 05:14 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sethsellis
I agree with this whole list, with the possible exception of switching out the Le Guin for "Omelas" because I'm curious how that will go over.

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Date: 2017-05-03 01:58 am (UTC)
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What age of Young People? I used "Flowers for Algernon" successfully with eighth graders.

Date: 2017-05-03 05:07 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ethelmay
Didn't James already try them on "Flowers for Algernon"?

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Date: 2017-05-03 02:17 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] austin_dern
If the MST3K episode hasn't salted its earth, Overdrawn At The Memory Bank. I'm also curious what they might make of Charles Sheffield but looking at his Wikipedia entry I remember absolutely nothing from any of his short story titles.

Date: 2017-05-03 02:34 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] leecetheartist
The Vilbar Party by Evelyn E Smith.

It's available here and possibly elsewhere. http://eremita.di.uminho.pt/gutenberg/3/1/6/2/31626/31626-h/31626-h.htm

I first read it in an anthology somewhere, without the pictures.

Date: 2017-05-03 02:35 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] leecetheartist
I read it at pretty much the same age your young readers did.

Date: 2017-05-03 03:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] egret
The Machine Stops by E. M. Forster

Date: 2017-05-03 05:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sethsellis
I like the idea of doing some "pre-genre" SF.

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Date: 2017-05-03 03:09 am (UTC)
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How about Brunner's "The Totally Rich"?

Date: 2017-05-03 03:25 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] adrian_turtle
I agree with the suggestion of "Flowers for Algernon," above. I wanted to recommend one of the stories in The Martian Chronicles, but wasn't sure which was best suited to a child of the millennium; is "There Will Come Soft Rains" the one about the children playing in the empty Martian city, with the sound of dry leaves rustling at their feet?

I'd have to check titles and publication dates to see if any of Octavia Butler's stories qualify.

Date: 2017-05-03 05:37 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rosefox
"There Will Come Soft Rains" is the one about the AI house that catches fire.

Date: 2017-05-03 03:41 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] redheadedfemme
Does it have to be a short story, or can you have a novella? If the latter, I really like Vonda McIntyre's novella that later became Dreamsnake, "Of Mist, and Grass, and Sand."

Also, have you done "The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas"?

George R.R. Martin's "Sandkings," although that's a novelette.

Date: 2017-05-03 05:37 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rosefox
"Sandkings" remains one of the all-time scariest stories I have ever read. Recommended.

Date: 2017-05-03 04:12 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dragoness_e
If you want to demonstrate "How to write absolutely terrifying sci-fi horror", there's nothing quite like "Who Goes There?" by John W. Campbell.

Not recommended for anyone young enough that you'll be fielding calls from upset parents wanting to know why little Johnny had nightmares all night and is suddenly scared of the family dog.

Date: 2017-05-03 04:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kjn
"The Brave Little Toaster" by Thomas M. Disch (published 1980, I know).

Second "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas" and "Flowers for Algernon".

"Thunder and Roses" by Theodore Sturgeon. "The Lottery" by Shirley Jackson.

Date: 2017-05-03 05:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] heron61
Of Mist, Grass, and Sand by Vonda McIntyre, Joan Vinge's Fireship, and H. Beam Piper's Omnilingual (the first two because they are very good, and the later because while not as good as either of the other 2, it's rather impressive to see someone writing SF in the mid 1950s, and written by a male author that actually had a competent and entirely non-sexualized female protagonist.

Ooooh

Date: 2017-05-03 07:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ed_rex
- John Varley, "Retrograde Summer" for the skiffy and the squicky;

- John Varley, "In the Bowl" for more or less the same reasons, if in a different key;

- Samuel R. Delaney, "Aye, and Gomorrah" for the god damned literature;

- Joanna Russ, "When It Changed", to see if the young'uns can recognize a brilliant opening line; or,

- Ray Bradbury, "The Foghorn", to find out if there is romance left in those young bones.


Also, seconding "Mimsey Were the Berogoves" (made me feel is if I had, literally, gone insane for at least an hour), "There Will Come Soft Rains" (for the poetry), and "Sandkings" (because that was scarier than Omni's blinding paper-stock).

Date: 2017-05-03 07:21 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] eub
Have they done any Sturgeon? I'm curious how that would go.

Date: 2017-05-03 08:41 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] legionseagle
Some of John Wyndham's short stories about time slips: The Seeds of Time

Allamagoosa.

Date: 2017-05-04 01:57 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] agharta75
No, not Allamagoosa. That's just a shaggy offog story.

Date: 2017-05-03 10:52 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] narmitaj
The Voices of Time by JG Ballard
The Country of the Blind by HG Wells
Traveller's Rest by David I Masson

Date: 2017-05-03 01:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mindstalk
"The Star"
"Inconstant Moon"
"Letter to a Phoenix" (done already?)

Date: 2017-05-03 01:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] emperorzombie
The Screwfly Solution.

Date: 2017-05-03 01:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nelc
Fred Pohl's 'The Tunnel Under the World'.

Something by Larry Niven, just because he was my favourite writer in my Golden Age; maybe 'Flatlander' for some commentary on bizarre astronomy and visions of a heavily populated Earth and how the rich live.

Tipler's "Love is the Plan, the Plan is Death'.

That Jerry Pournelle story where he has Falkenberg slaughter a stadium full of undesirables, which I have forgotten the title of.

Date: 2017-05-04 02:06 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dragoness_e
That story made me hate Falkenberg as a character. I'm not sure if it was West of Honor or the other Christian Johnny novel.

Oddly enough, I didn't have that reaction to Belisarius when he did it during the actual Nika Rebellion (that Falkenberg's slaughter is a loose adaptation of) in Drake & Flint's Alt-History Belisarius series. Maybe because the Nika Rebellion was actual history with complex causes and the situation was quite desperate for Justinian, and it was not the author's obvious wish-fulfillment of "What I'd like to see happen to all the leeches on welfare".

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Date: 2017-05-03 01:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] adrian_turtle
Stanislav Lem: How the World Was Saved.

Date: 2017-05-03 02:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] philrm
'Thus We Frustrate Charlemagne', R.A. Lafferty.
'And Keep Us from Our Castles', Cynthia Bunn.
'In the House of the Worm', George R.R. Martin
'The Lost Leonardo', J.G. Ballard

Date: 2017-05-03 11:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] raglegumm
"The Odor of Thought" Sheckley
"The Available Data on the Worp Reaction" Miller
"Miss Omega Raven" Mitchison
"Thus Love Betrays Us" MacLennan

Date: 2017-05-04 04:34 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Not sue what distinguishes Phase II, but I will plug Piper's Omnilingual

Riderius

Date: 2017-05-04 01:59 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] agharta75
"Nine Million Grandmothers", Lafferty

Date: 2017-05-04 06:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beamjockey
To paraphrase Clarke, "What's a factor of ten to the fourth, among friends?"

(That said, I remember liking the story.)

Date: 2017-05-04 02:00 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] agharta75
If you want to throw a hard science puzzle story at them, sixties Niven.
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