Date: 2017-04-22 02:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] the_rck
I actually ran a table top RPG game based on this book back around 1990. We had a lot of fun with it.

I read this first in high school, and when I closed the book, I kind of felt like something had smacked me in the head. It really worked for me. I had gotten it through interlibrary loan which was kind of an arduous process in those days before computer based catalogs.

Date: 2017-04-22 04:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nancylebov
I'm in favor of you doing a DWJones project. She was a remarkable writer.

You might be interested in her Reflections On the Magic of Writing""-- a collection of essays which includes some history of how writing for children (later, young adults) changed as the publishers noticed it had become popular.

Date: 2017-04-22 04:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ffutures
She's an amazingly good writer at her best, and readable even at her worst. The classics are Homeward Bounders, Eight Days of Luke, Archer's Goon, Howl's Moving Castle, and the Chrestomanci novels and stories - read them, you won't regret it.

Epigraph?

Date: 2017-04-22 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
You mentioned the passage of time - not for "Bounders" but for other people that they meet.

So it seems that the introduction page could carry the motto, "You can't go home again" - only that would look like a great big give-away.

Robert Carnegie

Date: 2017-04-22 05:07 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I also would support a Jones series. This is actually my least favorite of her classic titles. Dogsbody is the best, I think, and Howl's Moving Castle is the most completely satisfying light fantasy in terms of construction and craft.

On the other hand I do like The Time of the Ghost and A Tale of Time City, which I think are generally considered minor by other people. At least I don't see them talked about a lot. And the Dalemark Quartet is flawed but very interesting in parts, especially Cart and Cwidder and The Spellcoats.

Seth Ellis

Date: 2017-04-22 08:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ethelmay
Oh, I disagree. I've gotten fonder of Dogsbody over the years, but I think it's a muddled bit of work compared to The Homeward Bounders. Admittedly I have a visceral reaction against both stars-being-people stuff (C.S. Lewis gets away with it, but only just) and nominative determinism. (Really, someone ought to write a story in which Sol has some definite mythical character according to people from some other system, and everyone from Earth is expected to act that way.)

Date: 2017-04-23 05:24 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'll admit that mostly what I like about Dogsbody is the ending, which I think is the most perfect ending she ever did. In fact "muddled" is almost what I'd say about a lot of her endings, though not to that extreme. I always think that she's excellent at creating tangled, empathetic situations that don't admit of easy resolution, but she's too good a storyteller not to resolve them; the result is often that the story just sort of skids to a stop just in time. (I seem to recall Jones once said endings were the hardest bit for her, but I don't recall where). To me, Dogsbody and Howl's Moving Castle are the two books that have perfectly balanced endings, in very different ways.

Also, I like hardcore symbolism like stars-as-people. It's an unusual take for Jones but I think she pulls it off.

This comment brought to you by exhaustion in an airport, so forgive any inarticulateness.

- SE

Date: 2017-04-22 05:10 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I too approve of a series of reviews of Diana Wynne Jones books - Deep Secret and A Sudden Wild Magic, in particular.

Date: 2017-04-23 06:16 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I adore Deep Secret. Of the books I haven't seen mentioned yet, I also recall liking The Ogre Downstairs.

Much as I love DWJ's work, I think her weaker books tended to have trouble sticking the landing. There's a tendency for a revelation to come out of nowhere towards the end, which in the better works can be a great twist and in the weaker ones just a wtf? moment.

Date: 2017-04-22 05:22 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ba_munronoe
Is there a trope for "cursed" = "gets superpowers?"


"Luckily for Jamie, the rules of the game include provisions for pieces who know too much, as Jamie does."

A quibble, but "non-lethal" put before "provisions" might make the "luckily" more convincing.



Date: 2017-04-23 01:31 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] oh6
TV Tropes has "Cursed With Awesome", and the counterpart, "Blessed with Suck".

Date: 2017-04-23 01:10 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mr_cellaneous
DWJ was kinda variable - a few of her books just stink out loud - but when she was good, she was magnificent. (I've always thought it a bit unjust that she never achieved the fame and fortune of JK Rowling. No disrespect to JKR at all, but DWJ was just as good and got there first.)

I'd love to see a review of Charmed Life, in particular.

Date: 2017-04-24 01:51 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ethelmay
One of the things I've always noticed about DWJ discussions is that no one can agree on a favorite book. The one some people hate is the one other people most love, again and again. There are a very few I think most people would agree are subpar, but even then you can almost always find people saying, "Oh, but I love the bit with such-and-such so much..."

Date: 2017-04-23 06:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] desperance
I think this was the first DWJ that I read, and it remains my absolute favourite. She was a friend in later life, and I was able to tell her that.

Date: 2017-04-23 04:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bunsen_h
Thirding the enthusiastic wish to see you do a series of DWJ reviews. You have read Tough Guide to Fantasyland, haven't you?

Date: 2017-04-23 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Nobody's mentioned Jones's early book Power of Three. I reread it recently and was surprised at how much it has to offer an adult reader, and it does have a perfect ending.

Date: 2017-04-23 10:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] roseembolism
I read Homeward Bounders at a formative age, and it had a lot of influence on how I view good fantasy. Flawed characters, flawed relationships, but a main character who's easy to care about. And a fantasy setting that has specific rules that have to be navigated around.

I strongly recommend reviewing DWJ's works, particularly particularly my favorites: Fire and Hemlock,Howl's Moving Castle, the Dalemark Quartet (especially Spellcoats), and Time of the Ghost,
Edited Date: 2017-04-23 10:36 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-04-24 02:12 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chomiji

Time of the Ghost is awesome, and also horrifying when you realize how much the main characters' family life is based on Jones' own.

I think no one has yet mentioned Fire and Hemlock.

Date: 2017-04-24 03:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kitryan
A glaring omission :)
Fire and Hemlock and the Chrestomanci books are my favorites. I also would love a DWJ review series.

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