Date: 2017-04-19 07:32 pm (UTC)
jsburbidge: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jsburbidge
I have never heard of either, but then I pay no attention to either media or (SF) art.

I do note that both look very male and very white. The Star Wars citation was special.

Date: 2017-04-19 08:02 pm (UTC)
scifantasy: Me. With an owl. (Default)
From: [personal profile] scifantasy
Should the whole barrel of apples be discarded because some were bad?

The expression literally says one bad apple spoils the barrel. That's what it means.
Edited Date: 2017-04-19 08:02 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-04-19 08:09 pm (UTC)
rydra_wong: Lee Miller photo showing two women wearing metal fire masks in England during WWII. (Default)
From: [personal profile] rydra_wong
I see Frenkel's no longer listed on the concom page (but Russell still is).

Date: 2017-04-19 08:09 pm (UTC)
viktor_haag: (Default)
From: [personal profile] viktor_haag
Pish posh, apples schmapples. What's important is that OddCon be saved.


(sarcasm emoji)
Edited Date: 2017-04-19 08:10 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-04-20 01:14 am (UTC)
jessie_c: Me in my floppy hat (Default)
From: [personal profile] jessie_c
"I learned that one of the Members had made choices that upset people in the past, and how it was handled was not the best. I believe that the damage that was done has been contained and separated from the convention."


Just no.

In fact, there's not enough no in the world to make up the amount of no that statement merits.

Believe what you like; but don't come complaining to us when it splashes back on you, Michael. Your selective blindness will not protect you from the people who actually know what happened.

Date: 2017-04-20 01:32 am (UTC)
mme_hardy: White rose (Default)
From: [personal profile] mme_hardy
Last week I was at Annie's Annuals when a woman dashed past me to corral her kid, shouting "Make good choices, Sarah!" That is the only context in which "made choices that upset people" is appropriate.

Date: 2017-04-20 01:36 am (UTC)
graydon: (Default)
From: [personal profile] graydon
Guests of Honor are supposed to be a draw for the con, aren't they?

Date: 2017-04-20 01:59 am (UTC)
jessie_c: Me in my floppy hat (Default)
From: [personal profile] jessie_c
His massive dose of arrogant entitlement is breathtaking. But it does seem to fit in with the Concom's values as exemplified by their prior behaviour.

Date: 2017-04-20 02:01 am (UTC)
theweaselking: (Default)
From: [personal profile] theweaselking
And, importantly, it's a *true statement*. Apple spoiling is literally contagious. One bad apple literally does cause every other apple in the barrel to go bad. Which is WHY THAT EXPRESSION EXISTS.

Date: 2017-04-20 02:06 am (UTC)
filkerdave: Made by LJ user fasterpussycat (Default)
From: [personal profile] filkerdave
In general. There's usually a substantial group of people who'll go regardless of who the Guests of Honor are. (There are many cons that I used to go to where I did't find out who the guests where until Saturday afternoon).

Date: 2017-04-20 02:43 am (UTC)
sami: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sami

I mean, you don't have to throw the whole barrel away - so long as you removed the bad apple immediately and entirely, and carefully checked the other apples for contamination, and maybe cleaned out the barrel before you repacked it.


Date: 2017-04-20 02:48 am (UTC)
sami: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sami
Disclaimer: I know literally nothing about this guy except for reading that statement.

I have a certain sympathy for people wanting to rescue local fan-things even if there've been some bad things going on. If you can avoid bankrupting the organisation overall you can aim for a better concom and general improvement in the future.

However, I have to say, if I felt like agreeing to be GOH at a con would also require a super-defensive statement justifying myself in advance, I think I maybe wouldn't agree.

Date: 2017-04-20 04:32 am (UTC)
dragoness_e: Living Dead Girl (Living Dead Girl)
From: [personal profile] dragoness_e
I've been living under a rock lately, and just re-subscribed to James' feed, so this is all new to me.

But... Frenkel? Again? Wasn't he fired from an editing job at a major scifi publisher for being a serial harasser, a few years back? WTF would anyone have him on a ConCom or any other "official" position in a Con? One would think he might be just a bit of a public liability for a Con...

Date: 2017-04-20 04:41 am (UTC)
mme_hardy: White rose (Default)
From: [personal profile] mme_hardy
Well, he'd never harassed anybody at OdysseyCon. Seriously. That was the explanation.

Date: 2017-04-20 05:39 am (UTC)
dragoness_e: Living Dead Girl (Living Dead Girl)
From: [personal profile] dragoness_e
I read that part of it. So you've got the Serial Harrasser, and his buddy the Abusive Asshole, and the Idiot Apologist... Geez, is this a ConCom or the current White House Staff?

Date: 2017-04-20 11:45 am (UTC)
ffutures: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ffutures
Yup, that's really not going to impress anyone.

Date: 2017-04-20 12:34 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] agharta75
Ya know, if you have a ring of harassers running a ConCom, you need to keep the whole thing quiet enough so that you continue to have new victims to harass.

I am speaking purely hypothetically, of course.

Date: 2017-04-20 10:44 pm (UTC)
jessie_c: Me in my floppy hat (Default)
From: [personal profile] jessie_c
Apparently the rest of the apples are banding behind the bad one and daring us to claim that they're doing anything wrong. The spoilage happened long ago.

Date: 2017-04-20 10:46 pm (UTC)
jessie_c: Me in my floppy hat (Default)
From: [personal profile] jessie_c

Date: 2017-04-22 02:01 am (UTC)
magedragonfire: (Default)
From: [personal profile] magedragonfire
That we know of.

Date: 2017-04-23 04:33 am (UTC)
scott_sanford: (Default)
From: [personal profile] scott_sanford
"Um," he said intelligently, remembering the time as an overworked concom member (yes, that's redundant) when someone was needed to sit badge checking at the art show door and he grabbed the closest warm body who wasn't obviously doing something and basically drafted her. Other people, those who could recognize that year's Artist Guest of Honor by sight, were quite diplomatic, all things considered.

Date: 2017-04-25 03:38 pm (UTC)
filkerdave: Made by LJ user fasterpussycat (Default)
From: [personal profile] filkerdave
To be fair, if you're going to draft a GoH to check badges at the art show, the AGoH is a great choice.


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