Date: 2017-02-15 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nancylebov.livejournal.com
Not quite a fair reading of "Separation Anxiety"-- it wasn't just fame tempting her to leave, it was also the chance to do new work instead of continuing old styles for the sake of enforced cultural preservation.

Date: 2017-02-16 02:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mmcirvin.livejournal.com
I think about Bell's "The Space Traders" often of late. It was adapted, not entirely successfully I think, into a segment in the Hudlin brothers' SF anthology pilot Cosmic Slop; the aliens were animated saucer-men with Reagan pompadours.

I remember the Delany nonfiction essay, beyond its points about the SF community, giving me some significant education about what people mean when they talk about systemic racism.

Date: 2017-02-16 06:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bruce munro (from livejournal.com)
I always thought "The Space Traders" wouldn't work because Americans would care too much about how it would look to the rest of the world. After the last election, I am no longer so sure.

Date: 2017-02-16 08:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eub.livejournal.com
I think of Butler and get pissed off whenever I see poorly-maintained steps, cars sticking into the sidewalk, or other obstacles around Seattle. (Not that I have any knowledge that a specific thing caused her fall. But these things can.)

Date: 2017-02-16 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hand2hand.livejournal.com
Thanks for the review. I own this and read it a long time ago. Maybe time to reread.

Date: 2017-02-16 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phoenixfire12.livejournal.com
I'll have to add this book to my TO READ list.


Question: I have wondered for a while now if there was ever a book written about the development of the world where Caucasians were eliminated from the mix because they NEVER existed in the first place. How would the world's significant achievements discovered by whites in our world come to fruition if they were (or not) developed by another race?

I am also told that Harry Turtledove would be the perfect person to write this if it ever came about.
Edited Date: 2017-02-16 04:43 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-02-16 05:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scentofviolets.livejournal.com
That would depend on how you're defining 'Caucasian', wouldn't it? It's not exactly scientific nomenclature, though I guess 'Caucasoid' could still be considered as such. Does anyone even use the term (Caucasoid) in the scientific sense these days?
Edited Date: 2017-02-16 06:15 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-02-17 12:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phoenixfire12.livejournal.com
I've never heard anyone use the term 'Caucasoid'. Odd but interesting.

I guess my line of thought came about one day when I'd been hearing far too much of white this and white that and white privilege, and whites are the reason for the problems in the world, etc. That got me to wondering if there were never any white people in existence how would the world history look? Just go back to the beginning of time and start over, but take one little equation out of the mix. How would world history develop then?

An analogy could be, make a cake according to the recipe given, but leave out the salt. How would the cake taste if you did that?

Date: 2017-02-16 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Not quite never existed, but Kim Stanley Robinson's _The Years of Rice and Salt_ begins with an alternate world where the black death kills off over 99% of Europe. The book is a series of ten vignettes that trace how this world develops without Europeans from the time of Timur to the beginning of the 21st century, with a recurring cast of re-incarnated characters each sharing the same first initial. I found it enjoyable, but may not be everyone's cuppa.
-Mark E.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Years_of_Rice_and_Salt

Date: 2017-02-17 12:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phoenixfire12.livejournal.com
Thank you, Mark. I'm open to new things so I may have to look this one up.

Date: 2017-02-18 04:23 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
One fun bit that helped suck me in was that KSR varied the style of each vignette to mirror the kind of story being told, starting with monkey into the west. It's a book worth digging into the references for and the historical literature he's being influenced by.

Date: 2017-02-18 05:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selki.livejournal.com
I hadn't thought about historical literature influences on KSR's style in each vignette. Thanks!

Date: 2017-02-19 01:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phoenixfire12.livejournal.com
I'll keep that in mind when I eventually read it. Sounds like it might be handy to be sitting by the computer so I can google the references.

Date: 2017-02-16 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] awesomeaud.livejournal.com
"This reporter is a registered theorist on why White people are fascinated by listening to the sounds of their victims’ pathetic crying."

You have ruined the blues for me forever!

Date: 2017-02-16 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] w. dow rieder (from livejournal.com)
"How the heck did these devices pass even the most rudimentary consumer safety tests?"

Easily evaded (or non-existent) consumer protection laws may make for a somewhat dystopic background, but that's usually more plausible that the gadget in a good gadget SFF short story, so I'm willing to give a pass.

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