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When did the first anti-sexual harassment policy get instituted at an SF con?

Date: 2013-02-07 05:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] david wilford (from livejournal.com)
Minicon 27 in 1992 had an official anti-harassment policy, which included sexual harassment.

Date: 2013-02-07 06:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] david wilford (from livejournal.com)
There isn't one stated in the Minicon 47 program book, so I can't say.

Date: 2013-02-07 05:39 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I was thinking "piloted in the 1990s, spread explosively after around 2000".


Doug M.

Date: 2013-02-07 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harvey-rrit.livejournal.com
When will such a policy be applied to everyone?

Date: 2013-02-07 06:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kingwalters.livejournal.com
Sexism: When a man leaves a woman after 25 years, that's "abandonment', but when a woman leaves a man after one, that's "moving on with her life"; when a man has a fantasy involving two women, that's "perverted", but when a woman has a fantasy involving a man and a horse, that's "romantic".

Date: 2013-02-07 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doc-lemming.livejournal.com
Fortunately, they're equal: when a woman leaves a man after 25 years, that's "abandonment" and when a man leaves a woman after one, it's "moving on with his life."

And if the woman has the man and the horse doing the same thing in her fantasy that the two women are doing in the man's fantasy, well, I suspect it's perverted and illegal in a number of states and provinces. And apparently the Budweiser commercial already got there. (I haven't seen the actual commercial, being in Canada, but Jon Stewart's commentary indicates it's a sexual fantasy.)

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Date: 2013-02-07 07:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sean o'hara (from livejournal.com)
Somehow I doubt you've ever had a problem with women coming up and pinching parts of your body, unless you were taking a tour of a slaughter house and a female employee mistook you for part of the inventory.

Date: 2013-02-08 01:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harvey-rrit.livejournal.com
How about that.

Date: 2013-02-08 03:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ethelmay.livejournal.com
It does happen. See http://www.jimchines.com/2012/07/groped-at-fandomfest/

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Date: 2013-02-08 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scott-sanford.livejournal.com
That's how I met Leslie Fish!

But I didn't have a problem with it, no.

Date: 2013-02-07 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] david wilford (from livejournal.com)
These days anti-harassment policies are taken very seriously and, yes, applied fairly. Here's an example from another fan-run SF&F convention:

http://convergence-con.org/about-us/policies/#antiharassment

Date: 2013-02-07 07:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dsrtao
Generally they are.

Date: 2013-02-07 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icecreamempress.livejournal.com
Oh, you and your "logic" and "reason" and "real-life examples"! Don't you know that somewhere the Straw Feminists are doing something absolutely terrible?

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I have to ask

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Re: I have to ask

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Date: 2013-02-07 11:23 pm (UTC)
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Heterosexual White Male claims he's being oppressed. In other news, world's smallest violin was heard being played.

Date: 2013-02-08 01:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harvey-rrit.livejournal.com
Cowardly bully claims to be firefighter while sending real ones in to die.

--You were appointed by Mayor Skeffington, right?
Edited Date: 2013-02-08 01:34 am (UTC)

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Date: 2013-02-08 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dd-b.livejournal.com
We intended it to be. The only people we got complaints about were men, that year (well, leading up to that year; we managed to intimidate somebody, I hope the harassers, and didn't get complaints from that convention).

Date: 2013-02-08 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harvey-rrit.livejournal.com
Actually, my complaints are mostly about men too.

Date: 2013-02-07 09:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dd-b.livejournal.com
Interesting; that 1992 Minicon is the first one I chaired (and the first one to have a single chair in ages; I'd been on the Executive Committee before), and we put in that policy in response to a number of complaints about a small number of people who had been around local fandom for a while doing inappropriate things.

I'd be surprised if that was actually the first time one was enacted.

Two people were allowed in only after being read the riot act (or our local equivalent) by me or the Operations department head (co-heads?), and were warned that we'd eject them and stop accepting future memberships if there were credible complaints about them. In the event, there were not any complaints about them lodged with me or Operations or our lead person on the anti-harassment effort (who was [livejournal.com profile] cakmpls).

As chair of that con, I had no power to bind policy beyond that year. (Actually, the threat to refuse future memberships is also not absolute; I can pass on the recommendation, but I can't enforce it.) I can find no sign of a published policy in the archived materials from last year, and don't remember our having one.

Date: 2013-02-08 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cakmpls.livejournal.com
That was the year I wrote "The Essay We Wish We Didn't Have to Write" (I think that was the title) for the program book.

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Date: 2013-02-08 01:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yamamanama.livejournal.com
Is this a trick question?

Date: 2013-02-08 04:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ice-hesitant.livejournal.com
What would make it a trick question? "No such policy has ever been enacted" or "Every SF con since the beginning of time has had such a policy"?

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Date: 2013-02-08 09:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] david wilford (from livejournal.com)
Back at my very first Minicon the rules were pretty basic, to say the least:

http://www.mnstf.org/minicon16/Minicon_16_program_book/2.cooked/02.png

I don't remember anyone being lit on fire at least...

Killfile?

Date: 2013-02-09 01:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] felila.livejournal.com
Can I killfile someone in LJ?

Re: Killfile?

Date: 2013-02-09 02:52 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] fridgepunk.livejournal.com
Depends on your browser – I've got greasemonkey running a LJ killfile script on firefox, it's pretty good.

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