Date: 2017-09-02 04:03 pm (UTC)
jessie_c: Me in my floppy hat (Default)
From: [personal profile] jessie_c
True, but they've got a huge black mark in their permanent records, and I wouldn't expect any promotion chances for a decade or two. They're also likely to be going through what the military calls 'probation and counselling' which means that their every move is going to be watched very carefully, and their outside associations are going to be tracked. They're going to be very good little boys indeed, or else.

Date: 2017-09-02 04:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] movingfinger
It seems like they're being forced to face consequences for what they did; kicking them out and turning them loose to continue indulging their childish egos would be a less good outcome. They live in a very controlled environment with complete supervision. Sincere personal apologies from them should happen, but only if sincere.

Date: 2017-09-02 05:39 pm (UTC)
onyxlynx: The words "Onyx" and "Lynx" with x superimposed (Default)
From: [personal profile] onyxlynx
I saw that article. They deserve the equivalent of dishonourable discharge.

Date: 2017-09-02 05:52 pm (UTC)
jessie_c: Me in my floppy hat (Default)
From: [personal profile] jessie_c
Which would have freed them to feel even more resentful and fall farther into the clutches of the white supremacists. "See? Those [colourful adjective] [first nations people] cost you your job. It's all their fault!!1!"
As it stands, they're likely under several conditions as part of their probation. If it were up to me, one of those conditions would be not having any sort of contact with white supremacist groups and another would be endless diversity education and deprogramming. I'm pretty certain that the Navy would do something like that given my experience when I was in.

Date: 2017-09-02 06:32 pm (UTC)
onyxlynx: Rainbow Flag with "Proud To Be Everything The Right Wing Hates" printed on it. (Fascist Anathema)
From: [personal profile] onyxlynx
This is why I'm not in charge; I just vesuviated. I think they're carcinomic.

That's a No, no, you're right.
Edited (Added.) Date: 2017-09-02 06:33 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-09-02 06:36 pm (UTC)
jessie_c: Rainbow Canadian flag (Gay Canada)
From: [personal profile] jessie_c
Hopefully the 4 who stayed in can be salvaged. Pity they lost the 5th one to Civvy street; he's probably going to end up down the racism rabbit hole :(

Date: 2017-09-02 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Why do you think they'll be 'salvaged' instead of corrupting even more others in the service to their way of thinking?

Date: 2017-09-02 08:13 pm (UTC)
jessie_c: Me in my floppy hat (Default)
From: [personal profile] jessie_c
I can only hope they're going to be salvaged; it's not a sure thing :(

But as far as corrupting others, I sincerely doubt they'll be given the opportunity to do so. Their supervisors all now know about their racist leanings, and they're going to be getting a diet of education for the next little while. So will their division mates, and the resentment that causes is going to isolate them from any kind of sympathy.

But they see it as a win

Date: 2017-09-03 05:07 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Did you read the article? Their group thinks it was a victory, that they got a slap on the wrist and have been allowed to carry on as before. They weren't even forced to make any sort of restitution to the people they wronged.

From the article:

Proud Boys respond

Thursday afternoon, the Proud Boys Canadian Chapters reposted the military's statement about the incident.

Another post said "We win, our brothers the Halifax 5 are returning to active military duty with no charges, let the SJW [social justice warriors] tears pour. Proud of our boys."

Re: But they see it as a win

Date: 2017-09-03 02:14 pm (UTC)
jessie_c: Me in my floppy hat (Default)
From: [personal profile] jessie_c
The Petulant Children can think what they want. Reality thinks otherwise.

Date: 2017-09-03 05:10 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
In fact, we don't even know if their supervisors are actually bothered by what they did, or only by the fact that it caused a public embarrassment. They may on the contrary become local heroes to their mates, for having 'stood up to' the Indigenous activists and the 'SJWs' and been however mildly punished by 'The Man' for their 'valour' - but now they know that 'The Man' secretly approves of them, since they weren't cashiered, even if there had to be official disapprobation to placate the liberals.

Date: 2017-09-03 02:15 pm (UTC)
jessie_c: Me in my floppy hat (Default)
From: [personal profile] jessie_c
It's patently obvious that you've never served in the military if you believe that nonsense.

Date: 2017-09-04 11:44 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
There are enough accounts of racists being caught and barely punished in the Canadian military no less than the US & UK armed forces, as well as the police forces, to make it clear that the tip of the iceberg rather than a 'few bad apples' who are being left in - to spoil the barrel, the part of that saying that's always conveniently left out. It's been going on for a long time, the RCMP's leaving Indigenous victims far from town to freeze, the brutalizing of prisoners in the War on Terror, the recent 'Sons of Odin' affair, while in the USA the man who drove to NYC to commit a racist terror-killing with a Roman gladius was a veteran, the problem of lowered standards to boost numbers meaning that people with known racist inclinations were getting in the past decade isn't a secret, and it doesn't take much research to find more examples, often no more than knowing them personally, to find plenty of racism/sexism/religious bigotry, barely if at all concealed in public, meaning they have no fear of it having any career repercussions. But denial always works to solve problems, so I'm sure 'this is fine'...

Date: 2017-09-05 05:29 am (UTC)
jessie_c: Me in my floppy hat (Default)
From: [personal profile] jessie_c
Think what you like.

Date: 2017-09-02 06:53 pm (UTC)
onyxlynx: The words "Onyx" and "Lynx" with x superimposed (Default)
From: [personal profile] onyxlynx
OT: Icon Love!

Most probable outcome.

Date: 2017-09-03 12:02 am (UTC)
jessie_c: Common sense1:01 (Leviticus)
From: [personal profile] jessie_c
Here's another fun one to throw at the bible thumpers.

Date: 2017-09-02 08:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dewline
If "vesuviated" means what I suspect, I hope it didn't burn too much in the process.

Date: 2017-09-02 09:23 pm (UTC)
onyxlynx: Rainbow Flag with "Proud To Be Everything The Right Wing Hates" printed on it. (Fascist Anathema)
From: [personal profile] onyxlynx
Heh. Metaphorical steam shooting out my ears.

Date: 2017-09-03 02:04 am (UTC)
dewline: (Default)
From: [personal profile] dewline
I was worried about something far more literal in the esophageal context. I sit, relieved.

Date: 2017-09-03 02:15 am (UTC)
onyxlynx: Blue bkgrd, large red 7th, words "decade of fabulous." (As in "I'm in my 7th decade of fabulousn)
From: [personal profile] onyxlynx
Ooooops,no. Not yet. That may be in the future.

Date: 2017-09-03 02:44 pm (UTC)
thewayne: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thewayne
Interesting difference in approach between our two country's militaries. In the USA, they'd be booted out: they do not tolerate white supremists. But as the article states, you have a manpower shortage in the armed forces up there. But the point by @MovingFinger and others is quite interesting: keep them in an environment where they can be controlled and monitored, rather than kicking them out to the street and back in to the arms of these idiots, and maybe they can be steered away from their desire to be associated with such a bunch of numptys.

Date: 2017-09-03 04:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] armiphlage
"they do not tolerate white supremists"

The US Air Force Academy tolerates anti-semitism; does it get better after graduation?

Date: 2017-09-03 05:04 pm (UTC)
jessie_c: Me in my floppy hat (Default)
From: [personal profile] jessie_c
they do not tolerate white supremists.

Cite?

There are tons of stories about white supremacist military members/cops in the US.

Date: 2017-09-03 07:18 pm (UTC)
thewayne: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thewayne

There are stories, and there are certainly people in the military and law enforcement who are such. Stars & Stripes 2012, citing 2009 and 1989: https://www.stripes.com/news/army/military-battling-white-supremacists-within-its-own-ranks-1.186431#

The Atlantic, last month: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/why-military-chiefs-are-condemning-white-supremacy/537174/

They're not wanted, and they have procedures for getting rid of them, but the people aren't consistently detected and the policies aren't universally applied.

Date: 2017-09-03 08:18 pm (UTC)
jessie_c: Me in my floppy hat (Default)
From: [personal profile] jessie_c
So it's more lip service than an actual policy. And Trump has made it abundantly clear that rather than throw them out, he actively has their backs.

Date: 2017-09-04 11:47 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Wait, weren't you just saying that they're NOT tolerated in the military and it was foolish to think so? Or is Canada magically immune to traditional Anglosphere racism? That wasn't true even before Canadian RW started openly claiming Trump as spiritual leader after the election.

Date: 2017-09-05 05:31 am (UTC)
jessie_c: Me in my floppy hat (Default)
From: [personal profile] jessie_c
Please learn the difference between Canada and the United States and their respective militaries, Mr anonymous whose word is worth as much as his name.

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