Date: 2017-07-17 02:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] heron61
I'm mildly hopeful. Chris Chibnall wrote two of the worst early Torchwood episodes (Cyberwoman, and the laughably terrible season 1 finale), but then again, Moffat wrote the best Dr Who episodes under RTD's tenure as showrunner, and while Moffat taking over as showrunner started out OK, especially with the introduction of Clara, the show became an exercise in concentrated misogyny (particularly in Season 8), so maybe Chibnall will prove to be a better showrunner than writer.

I stopped watching after Season 9, which had a surprisingly good finale but was IMHO self-indulgent and terrible for much of it, especially in episodes 10 & 11, but I'll give the new Doctor and showrunner a try and see if I get back into it.

Date: 2017-07-17 02:54 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
Yeah, Season 5 was maybe my top favourite ever of NuWho, but it felt like everything after that went downhill pretty fast. I'm excited for the combo of new Doctor + showrunner.

Date: 2017-07-17 03:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] heron61
I agree. Season 1 was awesome once it got going, but had a number of pretty flat early episodes, and my favorite season would be Season 4, except for the ending, which sucked all my love out of that season. So, I'd agree with you about Season 5.

I don't think things really started downhill until after Amy and Rory left. I remember a number of people (who I mostly still disagree with) talking about the misogyny associated with how Amy Pond was written, but things with Clara started out barely OK and swiftly got worse with both 11 & 12.

Date: 2017-07-17 04:02 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
Looking at the list of episodes, there actually were several I really liked in S6 (Doctor's Wife, Rebel Flesh/Almost People, Girl Who Waited) and I thought River and Eleven were sweet together, but I personally hate female body horror pregnancy stories and that storyline was impossible to avoid. I also liked Asylum of the Daleks and Power of Three in S7. But after Amy and Rory left, yeah, it just wasn't the same, and I felt like Clara never really cohered as a character. I'm the one person on the planet (besides my husband) who didn't like Name of the Doctor, too. We tried the first few Capaldi eps, but fell behind and realized we weren't interested enough to catch up and that was pretty much that. I also didn't really care for Missy. Like John Simms, she was just too completely OTT for me. But I've rewatched S5 a lot because it's such a joy.

Date: 2017-07-17 03:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ravenskyewalker
How about trying out Series 10, which has Bill Potts, a black lesbian?

How DW became "an exercise in concentrated misogyny" when Clara was allowed to become an essentially immortal cosmic adventurer (which is apparently allowed when it's the Doctor, but not for a woman)... sorry, I don't get it. (All the anti-Moffat examples you can give me, I can give anti-RTD counterexamples, so let's not get into it here. And since you're apparently anti-"Heaven Sent," which I considered stunning work that had a lot of psychological resonance for me... nah, forget it.)

Date: 2017-07-17 03:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] heron61
As I said, I really liked the finale of Season 9, and at least part of my dislike of the rest of that season was the fact that Season 8 was all about The Doctor being portrayed as Clara's abusive and controlling ex, and never remotely getting called on this behavior (and I also find Capaldi annoying enough that "Heaven Sent" really didn't work for me).

I've heard positive things about Season 9, but I've got enough bad feelings about Moffat & Moffat + Capaldi that I seriously doubt that I could give it a fair shake.

Date: 2017-07-17 04:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
sorry, I don't get it. (All the anti-Moffat examples you can give me, I can give anti-RTD counterexamples, so let's not get into it here. And since you're apparently anti-"Heaven Sent," which I considered stunning work that had a lot of psychological resonance for me... nah, forget it.)

Dude, I don't know if you mean to be, but you're coming off as really combative and also condescending. Really not everyone is going to agree with you about NuWho and you can't intimidate them into submission.

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