Date: 2017-05-24 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kithrup
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Date: 2017-05-24 04:41 pm (UTC)
magedragonfire: (Default)
From: [personal profile] magedragonfire
...Okay, so, setting his argument aside, there are so many errors in his recounting of Anne of Green Gables that I don't even know where to begin, wow.

I guess being Chief Liberty Officer means you get the liberty to make things up wholesale and present 'em as facts?

Date: 2017-05-24 04:52 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] mmycomments
From reading the article I doubt that he has ever read Anne of Green Gables let alone any of Montgomery's other (and sometimes far grittier) books.

There are heart breaking stories of child abuse, child reglect, spousal abuse, bullying and intimidation among her other, less well known, stories.

Date: 2017-05-24 07:35 pm (UTC)
magedragonfire: (Default)
From: [personal profile] magedragonfire
Oh, of course. Emily of New Moon and Pat of Silver Bush both had darker elements to them - and it's not like those things don't show up in the Anne books, either (if usually in blink-and-you-miss-it moments).

The time Montgomery wrote about was not near as idyllic as he paints it. Kids didn't work because it gave them a sense of purpose, or whatever he's trying to say - they often worked because they had no other choice and were either going to starve or be beaten if they didn't.

Date: 2017-05-24 11:35 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] mmycomments
SPOILERS

Off hand I can think of a story arc in another book about an illegitimate child, orphaned, taken in by a relative of his dead mother. The relative makes the boy sleep in an unheated barn. There is a chilling sequence at a funeral of man who psychologically abused his wife.
In later Anne books her first born child died in infancy, one of her sons dies in WWI. Matthew Cuthbert dies of a heart attack on learning that he and his sister have lost all their money in a bank failure.

Date: 2017-05-24 05:29 pm (UTC)
thornsilver: (dexter)
From: [personal profile] thornsilver
Way to miss the point of child protection laws?

Date: 2017-05-24 05:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ethelmay
Anne herself would have had something to say about that. "Finally Mrs. Thomas said she’d take me, though she was poor and had a drunken husband. ... I lived with them until I was eight years old. I helped look after the Thomas children—there were four of them younger than me—and I can tell you they took a lot of looking after. ... Then Mrs. Hammond from up the river came down and said she’d take me, seeing I was handy with children, and I went up the river to live with her in a little clearing among the stumps. ... Mrs. Hammond had eight children. She had twins three times. I like babies in moderation, but twins three times in succession is TOO MUCH. I told Mrs. Hammond so firmly, when the last pair came. I used to get so dreadfully tired carrying them about."

She's eleven when she says this and was likely ten or younger when the third set of twins showed up.

Date: 2017-05-24 05:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] al_zorra
I tend to agree that children now, at least for the well-off, function as status signifiers of their conspicuous consumption capacities.

But he entirely misses how this s bad for society, particularly since the largest number of children are born to people who are not allowed birth control, work that can pay for this kind of child centered status competition, or work at all. But they started from behind, and their children will tend to start behinder -- and THIS IS NOT CONNECTED TO CHILDREN NOT WORKING.

One thinks that among the insights into the past that a contemporary reader -- or watcher of this latest screen version of Anne With An 'E' -- receives is how important it was that children be protected from abuse by adults exploiting their services. That's one of the brilliancies of this latest Anne -- so much of what Anne glides over in her cascades of words is the abuse she suffered as a work-for-hire child by the orphanage, is shown explicitly, if briefly.

I loved this version of Anne -- and I know the books very well, and still have them.

I grew up working hard. I'm the last person to say that kids shouldn't have duties at home. But there's a huge difference between that and what was done to Anne. Also -- it is clear in the books and this series, that Anne willingly works to care for her care-givers when they need it because she feels such love for them and gratitude to them for giving her a home and a family.

Another major part of the Anne books and the series is that women who have the opportunities will do much more than caregiving. They want education and jobs as well as marriage and children.
Edited Date: 2017-05-24 06:01 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-05-24 06:49 pm (UTC)
ethelmay: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ethelmay
Note also that when Anne has kids, she not only doesn't try to get by on her own or exploit child help, she HIRES AN ADULT WOMAN.

Date: 2017-05-24 07:08 pm (UTC)
kraig: Salty+Zack (Default)
From: [personal profile] kraig
I can't be the only one who read that to himself in Mugatu's voice.

Date: 2017-05-24 08:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ffutures
Wow... Does it occur to him that one reason for a declining birth rate is that children don't die nearly as often as they used to, so parents feel a lot less need to have more. Also that there's this weird thing called contraception that actually works most of the time now, so people don't have to end uo having more children than they can support?

Date: 2017-05-24 10:09 pm (UTC)
jessie_c: Me in my floppy hat (Default)
From: [personal profile] jessie_c
Wow, strawman argument much?

Date: 2017-05-24 10:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sethsellis
If the only idea you've got is theft, everything looks like it belongs to you.

Edit: actually in this case, I should have said "if the only idea you've got is property, everything looks like theft." The first version is differently libertarian.
Edited Date: 2017-05-24 10:32 pm (UTC)

Date: 2017-05-25 12:05 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ba_munronoe
I am personally all for dressing our President in tights and sending him off to the mean streets of Detroit to dispense two-fisted justice. Of course, he'll have to do it alone and unaided save for his boy sidekick, Steve "disposable" Bannon.

Date: 2017-05-25 01:38 am (UTC)
jsburbidge: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jsburbidge
I don't know whether the author's understanding of the Anne books or his knowledge of history is more abysmal.

Next up, a defense of the plucky free-enterprise represented by Fagin in that earthly paradise so well described by Henry Mayhew?
Edited Date: 2017-05-25 09:32 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-05-25 12:18 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] wakboth
A profound lack of understanding of history & economics seems to be near-mandatory for liberatarianism.

Date: 2017-05-25 12:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vschanoes.livejournal.com
Yeah, sure, people don't have kids because it's not profitable.

Dude. Dude. That is not why people have children.

People used to have lots of kids because they had no choice and because child mortality was sky-fucking-high.

Amazingly, when given a choice and the assurance that their children won't die before reaching adulthood, most women don't want to spend decades of their lives pregnant and nursing. I know the concept of women making choices about their lives is hard for libertarians to grasp, but we are actual people, not just the means of reproduction, so to speak.

Date: 2017-05-25 02:12 pm (UTC)
mindstalk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mindstalk
James, you misspelled your tag.

Date: 2017-05-26 05:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kitryan
Leaving out the rest of the myriad inaccuracies and misinterpretations, while Anne is helpful to the Cuthberts, she does not provide the help they were originally looking for and that's the whole point of the first book! She's valuable for herself, *not* for her labor. If the labor was actually the most important thing, they would have sent her back and gotten a boy orphan!
This person has missed the point by so much, he's in orbit!

Date: 2017-05-26 07:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ethelmay
Or they could have gotten a boy orphan as well. After all, Marilla eventually takes in two more children (one of whom is a boy and does take over the farm). (Also, Matthew does hire a "French boy," Jerry Buote.)

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